Will the Vaccine Be Mandatory for Appraisers?

Will the COVID Vaccine Be Mandatory for Appraisers?

Can AMCs mandate the appraisers on their panels take the COVID-19 vaccine?…

Over the holidays, we received the following email from Dave Towne:

Not sure if this is actually true, but an AMC put out a message on Christmas eve day saying that appraisers should be included in the Phase 1C of the COVID vaccination program.

The quoted source was the Evidence Table for COVID-19 Vaccines Allocation Phases 1b and 1c of the Vaccination Program.

Essential workers* (non-health care) Persons aged ≥65 years Persons with high-risk medical conditions
Allocation within Phase 1 of the COVID-19 vaccination program (post Phase 1a) Phase 1b – Frontline essential workers: first responders (e.g., firefighters and police officers), corrections officers, food and agricultural workers, U.S. Postal Service workers, manufacturing workers, grocery store workers, public transit workers, and those who work in the education sector (teachers and support staff members) as well as child care workers.

Phase 1c – All other essential workers: workers in transportation and logistics, water and wastewater, food service, shelter and housing (e.g., construction), finance (e.g., bank tellers), information technology and communications, energy, legal, media, and public safety (e.g., engineers), and public health workers.

Phase 1b – Persons aged ≥75 years

Phase 1c – Persons aged 65-74 years

Phase 1c – Persons aged 16-64 years† with medical conditions that increase the risk for severe COVID-19§

 

I’m only passing this on as a ‘reporter’ and am not advocating or endorsing getting vaccinated.

That’s a personal choice for each individual. So please, let’s not get in a major ‘food fight’ about this issue.

I’m not interested in taking time to debate this, so you don’t need to reply.

Wishing everyone a blessed Christmas and a very much better 2021.

While it may be legal for employers to mandate their employees take the COVID-19 vaccine, can AMCs mandate the appraisers on their panels to do so? Will appraisers be required to submit proof of vaccination? Shouldn’t appraisers be able to weigh the risk vs benefit of the vaccine as individuals and decide for themselves? Has there been any studies proving that you cannot transmit COVID to someone else after getting the vaccine?

Vaccine trials test for efficacy, that is, whether or not a vaccine protects a participant from contracting a specific disease, in this case COVID-19. But trials do not look at whether a person could still be infectious — able to give the disease to other people — after receiving a vaccine.

“We just do not know yet the answer to (that) question,” said Dr. Jaime Sepulveda, executive director of the Institute for Global Health Sciences at the University of California, San Francisco. “The clinical trials were not designed to have that as an endpoint.”

Truth is, this type of vaccine has never been used before in humans, except in clinical trials, and there are more unknowns than knowns. We will not know the safety and side effects for years or even decades.

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79 Responses

  1. Pete Deatherage on Facebook Pete Deatherage on Facebook says:

    I don’t think an amc can demand you be vaccinated, but they could give priority to appraisers who are. I would like to see appraisers in the phase 1b schedule since we come into contact with lots of homeowners. I will take the vaccine as soon as it’s available. I trust the science.

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  2. Avatar Ralph says:

    Just another reason NOT WORK FOR AMC’S! Pretty sure I already had COVID in January 2020 and not about to sign up for partial face paralysis!

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  3. Avatar Erik says:

    I am not anti-vaccine, but this is outrageous. Require the appraiser to wear masks and that’s it. And forget about six-foot distancing. You can easily maintain 12-foot distancing.

    Just wondering if there is a single solitary case in which a homeowner believes they got Covid from an appraiser.

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    • Retired Appraiser Retired Appraiser says:

      This virus spreads amazingly easily. Our workers adhere very well to socially distancing (most work 10 to 20 feet apart), they wear masks, and are well drilled in avoiding the virus. Over the past 5 weeks around 25% of the workforce has contracted the virus. The new strain coming over from the United Kingdom is nearly twice as contagious.

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      • Baggins Baggins says:

        Fake news does terrible things to the mind. Always has. Always will.

        https://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/documents/amendI_speechs29.html

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        • Avatar nick says:

          There’s nothing fake about what he said. I’d recommend kuby immunology 7th edition; there are a lot of really good pictures.

          The new strain which is most likely already in the US is more contagious. It does not mean it’s more deadly. Viruses hijack our cells machinery to make their protein capsid coats (outer layer), make copies of itself. It’s not a very stringent copy process because the virus isn’t using it’s own machinery (and another argument for why viruses are not living things). So it’s error prone. Some of those mutations (stochastic) are going to be bad, some benign. It’s all random. Viruses want to go undetected for a long time and pass on to others to survive (if you think of them anthropomorphically).

          And one more thing to add because I think it is helpful. We can measure whether or not a virus is more infectious by doing a plaque assay in the lab using a human endothelial/lung cell line. You test it against the original strain of the virus. If it is more or less infectious, then that is the answer. These are all testable things. It has nothing to do with “Fake News”.

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          • Baggins Baggins says:

            Good thing I’ve been loaded up with zinc this whole time, as zinc stops such replication of virus activity within the individual cells, I never missed a beat. My wife works at the hospital. Working days remain largely lackluster with notable reductions in patient activity. The masks at this point are just for show.

            You may want to actually read the link before trigger responding to a fake news reference. History repeats.

            Asymptomatic people are not spreaders. However, vaccinated people shedding pathogens certainly are.

            Nevermind the redundant cyclical re-amplification of testing which brings 16 out of 17 false positives.

            You can skip the science lecture. Opting out is entirely easier, and with less statistical risk of adverse effects. Good luck on your censorship efforts.

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            • Avatar Nick says:

              No one is trying to censor you. You sound paranoid. Since you mentioned zinc, why don’t you look up how the body uses it as a co-factor to eliminate viruses. Zinc finger nucleases. One of the many tools the body uses for the innate immunity defenses. If you’re not open to learning and quick to shoot down everything as a conspiracy to take ‘ma freedoms’ then that’s certainly your choice. You’ve certainly shown a poor understanding of basic science from what you’ve posted here.

              You clearly don’t understand what asymptomatic means (polio for example is fecal oral, vast majority infected don’t exhibit symptoms, for the many that ended up in iron lungs, well apparently that’s ‘fake news’).

              You also clearly don’t understand vaccination and certainly don’t understand the mRNA strategy behind the two current vaccines from Pfizer and ModeRNA -hint the last three letters in moderna stands for RNA…

              No virus is shed for someone vaccinated; you’re not being injected with all the viral components. You’re being injected with an mRNA transcript, it’s translated to protein, trafficked to outside of cell, and body mounts immune response to that specific protein. The antibodies are against that specific epitope. Not the full virus.

              A mask is not for show but the wrong masks are. This again is science, specifically physical science – aerosol physics which is beyond me, but some great videos out there with very simple explanations and some fun research also out, that too with the efficiency of different types of masks tested. All very simple experiments, tested, repeated, and documented. That’s how science works. Science doesn’t care about my opinion or yours. Science follows repeatable data, repeatable experiments.

              You’re the type of person who argued for the sun being the center of the universe during Copernicus’ time and the earth being flat. Eventually you’ll come around, but until something clicks for you, it is what is is. Be well and be safe.

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              • Avatar IMJSAYN says:

                Nick, you seem to know more about vaccines than the rest of us, specially mRNA vaccines and I appreciate the information. But would you please let me know why Fauci pretends to get the vaccine if it is safe and effective?

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                • Avatar nick says:

                  I’m personally not the biggest fan of Fauci and lost a little respect for him when he started politicizing what is and is not ok in terms of gathering. Much bigger fan of Francis Collins (https://www.nih.gov/about-nih/who-we-are/nih-director) and throughout this entire pandemic, I’ve appreciated the input from Dr. Birx.

                  Francis Collins – https://www.amazon.com/Francis-S.-Collins/e/B001IGLLD0%3Fref=dbs_a_mng_rwt_scns_share

                  As far as your video, I wasn’t there, are you saying you doubt people in leadership positions are getting vaccinated? The ingredients are as follows: mRNA, lipids ((4-hydroxybutyl)azanediyl) bis(hexane-6,1-diyl)bis(2-hexyldecanoate), 2 [(polyethylene glycol)-2000]-N,N-ditetradecylacetamide, 1,2-Distearoyl-sn-glycero-3-phosphocholine, and cholesterol), potassium chloride, monobasic potassium phosphate, sodium chloride, dibasic sodium phosphate dihydrate, and sucrose. he lipids facilitate transfer across the cells lipid bilayer with mRNA transcript. If it can’t get into the cytoplasm of the cell, RNA polymerase (the stuff that reads and translates the transcript) will not make protein, protein won’t be made = no immune reaction. The NaCL etc. is more of a buffer. Nothing crazy in this stuff.

                  So to answer your question, I don’t like him, but I’m not getting that he didnt’ get vaccinated because he patted the other arm, I wouldn’t be surprised if the video is flipped as anyone with an iphone will recognize as possible. I’m not assuming that he didn’t get vaccinated from this.

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                  • Avatar IMJSAYN says:

                    Yeah I wasn’t there either. But the video isn’t flipped. If it was then the words on backdrops would be flipped and they aren’t. If you look at the NIH logos behind Fauci in both clips, neither of them are flipped left to right. He also wears his watch on his left hand (you can google his photos). Not a big fan of him either. However, he’s been promoting covid vaccine safety and efficacy, and pushing for mass vaccination while he himself pretends to be getting it. Makes me wonder.

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                  • Baggins Baggins says:

                    The vaccine does not work as advertised. Really thankful to have opted out on the principals of voluntarism. Many we know whom have taken it have lost mental faculty, looks a decade older, or worse. They are both the cause and effect now. Those whom did nothing are on the sidelines watching chaos unfold as vaccinated non immune people slowly realize they are now producing the disease from within. First time in history that the ineffectiveness of a medicine is being blamed on those whom have not taken it. It is speculated that ivermectin can also resolve side effect issues in addition to being an effective early treatment.

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  4. Avatar nick says:

    Can AMCs force you to take off your tin foil hat if you don’t want to? We’ve come a long way from Edward Jenner having kids snort cowpox pustules and polio. I will be getting it when it’s ready.

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  5. Avatar Tom Granito says:

    will AMC’s be held liable in case something happens to me after I take the vaccine?

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  6. Avatar Coach says:

    Remember the swine flu vaccine fiasco of 1976 and the neurological damaged it caused to thousands… causing paralysis and death to many? Some of these covid vaccine trials had to be stopped after neurological problems on its test volunteers. Fauci said those who suffer from Guillain-Barre syndrome often get severe, neurological reactions to the influenza vaccine and cautions that they may have a similar response to the COVID-19 shot.

    No thank you! I’m not rolling up my sleeve for these rushed covid vaccines.

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  7. Baggins Baggins says:

    https://thevaccinereaction.org/
    https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender_category/covid/
    https://learntherisk.org/
    https://www.bitchute.com/channel/okiFK5CwQrZS/ (Highwire live channel)
    https://nvicadvocacy.org/members/Home.aspx
    No. Wouldn’t it make more sense to test yourself for antibodies before taking the vaccine? Talk to me about “The Science. (TM)”

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    • Retired Appraiser Retired Appraiser says:

      You would have to test for antibodies every single day to be safe since they are only known to stay in the body for around 3 months. I would much rather take a mere 2 shots than give blood and pay for tests every single day until COVID is eventually eliminated.

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      • Baggins Baggins says:

        The human body has many different mechanisms for developing long lasting immunity. These things burn out on their own. No vaccine necessary.

        Healthy until proven sick. They can keep all the testing. We don’t need it.

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        • Avatar nick says:

          That is incorrect. The human body has an innate immune system and an adaptive immune system for which APC (B cells, Dendritic Cells, and Macrophages take up antigen) present antigen to T cells and eventually after a relay signal to B cells to being the process of producing antibodies against a specific antigen/epitope. In this case, that epitope is against the covid spike protein that is translated from the mRNA transcript the vaccine provides.
          You may not need testing or a vaccine, hopefully others do get it though.

          From what we know, antibodies against Covid-19 most likely last at least 7-8 months. We’ll know more as time goes on because we just haven’t been out that far. The half life for an antibody is different/unique for all antibodies.

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      • Avatar Coach says:

        New study hints the protection is long lived.

        https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.11.15.383323v1

        “Eight months after infection, most people who have recovered still have enough immune cells to fend off the virus and prevent illness, the new data show. A slow rate of decline in the short term suggests, happily, that these cells may persist in the body for a very, very long time to come. The research, published online, has not been peer-reviewed nor published in a scientific journal. But it is the most comprehensive and long-ranging study of immune memory to the coronavirus to date. “That amount of memory would likely prevent the vast majority of people from getting hospitalized disease, severe disease, for many years,” said Shane Crotty, a virologist at the La Jolla Institute of Immunology who co-led the new study.

        The findings are likely to come as a relief to experts worried that immunity to the virus might be short-lived, and that vaccines might have to be administered repeatedly to keep the pandemic under control. And the research squares with another recent finding: that survivors of SARS, caused by another coronavirus, still carry certain important immune cells 17 years after recovering. The findings are consistent with encouraging evidence emerging from other labs. Researchers at the University of Washington, led by the immunologist Marion Pepper, had earlier shown that certain “memory” cells that were produced following infection with the coronavirus persist for at least three months in the body.”

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        • Avatar nick says:

          To put some more meat on the bones. The cells they’re referring to are two types of B cells. Memory B cells and Plasma B cells. These are both cell types that have matured and make a very specific type of antibody against a specific antigen.

          Memory B cells sit in lymph nodes in wait until they become activated again during re-infection. Plasma B cells are circulating and secrete antibody into blood. If it’s the blood, it’s the IgG immunoglobulin. If it’s stomach/intestinal, it’s IgA…..allergy related…IgE etc.

          SARS, MERS, they’re all variants/in the coronavirus family. It’s a good indication of the types of half lifes the antibodies against Covid will have.

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    • Avatar Nick says:

      All of the sources you present are not legitimate. Go to NCBI and the NIH, all publicly funded research will have free access articles. You can also get pretty much any article you want from ResearchGate if you ask the researcher nicely.

      You can test for antibodies but not all antibodies are created equal. If someone is serum positive, then until their antibodies against the virus drop below a threshold then they should be immune. It’s how the immune system works and why we get booster shots.

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    • Avatar henry jung says:

      ***This comment was edited by AppraisersBlogs Team. Profanity and personal attacks were edited out.***

      all conspiracy websites with proven misinformation & propaganda.

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  8. Avatar GAPeach says:

    About 10 years ago, per my doctor’s recommendation I got the flu shot for the very first time. The day after, I started having debilitating vertigo spells to the point of vomiting from being so dizzy. Ended up in the ER several times. Doc said it would go away. Never did. Everything changed for me after that flu shot, and my life has not been the same since. It hasn’t been easy. I can’t travel because I can’t fly, I can’t ski, can’t swim, hike, drive, or water ski… I have passed out in the middle of an appraisal many times from these spells!

    I don’t wish this on my worst enemy! Getting a vaccine has to be a personal choice and not mandatory!!!

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    • Avatar nick says:

      And thankfully with mRNA vaccine technology we may finally be able to move past yearly influenza vaccination. The reason for which you get one is the rearrangement of of hemagglutinin and neuraminidase which rearrange each year to antigenic shift and antigenic drift. While I’m sorry you had a bad reaction, it’s not a good reason to not vaccinate the rest of the world.

      mRNA vaccines have been in development for the last 20 years.

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      • Baggins Baggins says:

        Or one could not adopt a hypochondriac mindset, instead focus on healthy eating and other smart health management decisions which do not involve proprietary medical products, then simply continue to skip all of the shots. Oh yes, even the slight risk of a debilitating lifelong chronic condition brought on by a liability protected ‘inevitably unsafe’ proprietary medical product, certainly is a valid reason to opt out of vaccinations.

        https://scholarlycommons.law.emory.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1056&context=elj
        On the history of vaccine protection for manufacturers. The more you know.

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        • Avatar Nick says:

          You’ve obviously made up your mind if you’re referencing this pandemic as ‘hypochondriac’ fears. There was nothing proprietary when Edward Jenner first made that discovery. There is no secret cabal. Since you’re so big on the conspiracies, I’m sure there’s no conflict of interest with lawyers looking to sue for any type of malpractice right? The US doesn’t have any such problem, right? Have you ever taken an aspirin? What about blood thinner? Ever had penicillin? – Those can all be dangerous for people, some even have poor reactions. With your logic, we shouldn’t use antibiotics, blood thinners or aspirin; people should just tough through it.

          As far as your source; everyone here can use google; here’s some reading directly from NCBI which is where you should be looking for all things science. It’s the compendium of knowledge that we have as a society.
          https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4151719/
          https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4659912/

          Or better yet, why don’t you tell the children in Syria who now have to worry about Polio that they should just eat organic produce to make the fear of Polio go away:
          https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5398005/

          Polio is an endemic virus, it’s in the environment, if public health systems break down (which is what happened in Syria due to the civil war) it reemerges.

          More history on Vaccination (and actually a pretty good read):
          https://www.amazon.com/Vaccinated-Defeat-Worlds-Deadliest-Diseases/dp/006122796X

          The same immune system that you’re so afraid of is being used to treat cancer by way of CART (chimeric antigen receptor (CAR)). T cells are taken from donor, amplified in lab, then infused back into patient. Treating cancer by retraining a patients T cells (an auto-activation of the T cell receptor which normally needs to interact with a B cell.

          I even mentioned elsewhere of the problems with vaccination (Salk/Sabin, Tuskegee, Russian scientists infecting school children with Phage, etc.). This is no secret, the CDC even has a list on their page that’s easily accessible. https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/concerns-history.html

          Did you even read the article you posted? It discusses the Vaccine Act and PREP Act and the CEPI (Coalition for Epidemic Preparedness Innovations”; literally the last sentence when discussing not exercising caution “and, as a result, people will inevitably lose confidence both in vaccines and in those recommending them”.

          Read the stuff you post so you actually can say “the more you know” and have it mean something.

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          • Baggins Baggins says:

            Thank you Nick. I’m not anti vax. I’m pro vaccine safety and best practices. A point also covered in detail in that article. Thank you for posting informational links. Certainly they are used frequently as building blocks to other detailed articles and papers. I have been researching vaccine safety for well over a decade and one does not need to be well versed beyond a laymen understanding to competently argue the questionable approaches. The counter argument is that the scope and scale of the industry has uncoupled the previously reliable theorems when compared to todays modern application of these products through both medical practice and legislative controls. How many vaccines is enough? 30? 50? 100? 200? 2,000? Is it ethical to distribute them against peoples will? Can vaccines still be recognized as a humanitarian effort if people are denied access to schools, hospitals, freedom to travel, if they do not subscribe to the for profit vaccine programs? With hundreds and hundreds more in active development it’s important to not just look to the past for vaccine safety arguments, but also the future. It’s no longer an industry focused altruistically on life saving advancements, they covered all of those already. Now it’s a become a profit driven industry which is alarmingly researching things like a vaccine for religious zealotry, alcoholism, anxiety, and even something to cause auto rejection of any opioid derivative in the hopes of preventing addiction. I don’t need antibuse and I certainly don’t need the effects of antibuse locked in via vaccines for every possible addictive substance out there. Neither do the children but if those come to market they will be included alongside all the other cdc schedule and may become virtually mandatory based on states legislative rules. I did not argue against vaccine effectiveness. I argued against the safety. It’s the same argument the autistic researchers present, the scaling down to micro doses actually had the unintended effect of causing more harm, but subtly so, only eventually recognized in chronic conditions. Cumulative risk building with every new vaccine introduced, yet they remain safety tested only individually. It’s taken decades to figure it out but indeed, they are finding leasons full of adjuvents they thought purged out of the body after vaccination in the most remarkable places like within brain postules and thigh muscles, etc. There is also the argument of stolen glory as the vaccine industry adopted the talking point of having eliminated disease, even though that coincided with rapid expansion of plumbing and sanitation throughout the developing world. More likely a combo of the two than one or the other. We will remain opted out until the industry can better prove it’s safety claims without having to silence opposing voices or continue to spend billions on lobbyists efforts to force our consumption through the power of the state. As well as having a handle on a restructured cdc table to provide more options and distinguish better between what is actually life saving, and what could be optional. Otherwise something people may never be at risk of exposure to, or are arguably better off contracting in the wild, because they get over it naturally with minimal risk and such activity helps build more robust immune systems as adults. One size fits all is not working. Again, we’re opted out on principal because although the issues are complex, the industries push to silence opposing voices, bury research which disproves theorems, and use the power of the state via billions of dollars lobbying for rule changes, is not an appropriate or ethical way to prove either the safety or effective claims of their products. At some point there has to be a limit to the schedule. Clearly, we’ve gone past or will soon move past that point. It’s the critical mass argument, the body can only take so much. The vaccination gained artificially can trigger a reaction that never turns off, the body attacks itself instead. We took a few, and opted out on the rest.

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            • Avatar nick says:

              Thank god you’re not in charge of making decisions.

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              • Baggins Baggins says:

                Yeah, who wants the actual truth. We’re talking about ‘the narrative’ here. There are plentiful graph comparisons which prove the implementation of mask mandates and societal lockdowns is not only pointless, but dangerous and counterproductive, accomplishing the exact opposite of what was intended. And, whatever you just posted. Did you see the video of the RN whom got bells palsy within 3 days of taking this miracle rna vaccine, all crying and such. It was heartbreaking. An otherwise healthy person. What a waste.

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        • Avatar Nick says:

          If you actually read the document you posted, it doesn’t show or demonstrate what you think it does. For simplicity sake, the last paragraph of what you posted is speaking to the importance of maintaining the public’s trust, much like appraisers lest people not trust science. There’s issues with humans performing science, and just like any industry you have good ones and bad ones. Thankfully when a bad one does come around, eventually the industry gets rid of them because it’s not based on opinion.

          If you can’t reproduce results, it’s a red flag and eventually gets flushed out. Why? Because science builds upon the shoulders of others. If you read a referred article, the first few figures will be an re-establishment of the facts, tests and confirmation of what is known before the newer findings are demonstrated. It’s all new, but things need to be repeatable.

          Since I was censored and my comment was deleted, I guess that’s all I can say. I do find it rather silly that you think this pandemic has been people being hypochondriacs. It’s already been established that people with certain variants in IFN (interferon) expression fare differently than others and is correlated to severity. Hopefully you’re not someone more susceptible.

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          • Baggins Baggins says:

            I read it. Completely, front to back. Old hat, just another in a long line of documents which seek to unpack the effectiveness of ongoing vaccine industry liability management in relation to government legislative activity. The point being it referenced the ‘unavoidably unsafe’ nature of vaccines, which is why the vaccine court is in place. Also highlighting the failure of this system to perform as intended. Why bore everyone to death with the 1980’s congressional reports? The cdc, the place where the same companies being regulated are allowed to have their own people on vaccine panel decision making boards. They literally fast track approval and then step into the hallway to buy and sell stocks, front of the line. Not surprisingly, the USA with the largest vaccination schedule, has the highest and exponentially climbing rate of chronic health conditions. RFK Jr with Childrens Health Defense has documented this for decades. I also posted the nvic link detailing in simple visuals, the breathtaking pace of the pharmaceutical industries lobbying efforts to usurp the individuals right to choose. (everything on that list is from just the past 1 yr usually, it’s updated regularly.) Everyone whom believes in freedom of choice pertaining to private individual decisions on medical product consumption, should be a supporter of that group. They’re not anti vax, they’re pro accountability. Staffed by the usual flat earth nutjobs, doctors, nurses, practicing physicians, former pharmaceutical company salesperson and managers. To date, nobody has ever provided a safety test for all vaccines together to examine their synergystic effects. Bigtree pulled the prove they’re safe and effective with the FOIA request to the CDC. Years after making the request and finally getting the information, we now can unpack the spiders web of lies misinformation and deceptive practices of these industries. (The Highwire Live link) Repeat after me; safe and effective, safe and effective.

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            • Avatar Nick says:

              You’re right. Surgery is unsafe too, we should stop performing surgeries. You’ve changed my mind. /s

              I’ve said what I need to and there a good deal of keywords and basic immunology in my comments that anyone can go look for more information if they need to.

              You do you, good to know people like you exist though.

              I don’t have anything else meaningful to share as it’s already in the comments. Take care.

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              • Avatar Seneca says:

                Nick, I don’t know if you are new to this blog, But you will learn just to ignore Baggins’ posts.

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                • Avatar nick says:

                  Somewhat new, seems like I let myself get trolled. I have to leave the tin foil hat committee to their own devices. Hard.

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                  • Baggins Baggins says:

                    One presumes appraisers would be one of the best equipped groups to understand conflict of interest issues but you never know. Having open and honest conversations is not trolling. There is nothing conspiratorial or paranoid about simply opting out and waiting for better clarification on safety issues before participating.

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          • Nick, your comment was not censored or deleted. It was automatically held for moderation since it contained 4 or more links. A common characteristic of comment spam is a large number of hyperlinks. This is to prevent spamming on the blog.

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  9. Avatar cotton says:

    We are all fully aware the Democratic party paid for the release of the china virus with hopes they could use it to destroy the economy and steal the presidential election!

    How odd is it that china is fully back to normal with no vaccine?

    This is my body therefore it’s my choice or does that only apply to a woman who want to kill their unborn children?

    In this line of work I’m sure I am not the only Appraiser to run across a doctor or nurse while on inspection. Every time they have said to me this is all a hoax. Nothing more than a mild cold. My in-laws and a few friends caught the china flu. They claim the only reason they were aware they had it was loss of taste. While I’m aware people have died as a result of the democratic scam however it is not bad enough to require a nationwide mandatory vaccine!

    I will be the first to sue every AMC that requires me to take an experimental vaccine!

    Have a blessed day!

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    • Avatar hammering hank says:

      ***This comment was edited by AppraisersBlogs Team. Profanity and personal attacks were edited out.***

      “The Dems paid for the Chinese to release the virus”…!?!?!

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  10. Avatar Seneca says:

    Who cares what the AMCs want. If I can get it sooner than later then great.

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  11. Avatar Julio E. Sune, Jr says:

    Ladies and Gentlemen:…..calm down….Let us concentrate in the real issues at hand….
    “That’s a personal choice for each individual. So please, let’s not get in a major ‘food fight’ about this issue.”

    Life is a matter of choice NOT chance….

    In the future???? Chinese AMC’s????
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-55454146
    Chinese economy to overtake US ‘by 2028’ due to Covid

    Image below shows a GOOD LIFE in Wuhan……

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    • Avatar Nick says:

      No one is arguing choice. If you read the comments it’s an argument based on the science. This is objective, not opinion based. Again, no one cares about your opinion of the science and no one is advocating for forceful immunization. The data shows what the data shows. It’s not something to argue about because it’s objective. That’s somewhat of the beauty of science.

      The Hope, however, is as people learn more about the science they begin to lose the fear of the unknown and are less malleable to misinformation and scare tactics.

      As far as China, I’m going to assume you don’t know what the great firewall of China is. You’re welcome to go through the threads still present on Reddit showing the measures the Chinese government went to stop the virus. Thankfully, we can have a disagreement in this country without being censored by a government branch who’s sole purpose is to control and censor its citizens.

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      • Baggins Baggins says:

        The covid pass and travel restrictions are already on the table, being developed, and being integrated into various app tech via private industry. The science (TM). We never adopted this ‘new normal’. Because we never embraced the fear, we still live without fear. No need to break past fear of vaccines, since we’re not afraid of the wild germ in the first place. Hypochondria rules the day but it won’t be that way forever. Although there is ample scientific reason to object, we’re opting out of the vaccines on principal alone, since the companies promoting this are seeking to use the power of the state to force our participation. Give me a break with big tech striking down all commentary and pages of anyone whom provides a counter argument. That’s not science that’s lunacy. When the cure is more dangerous than the disease itself.
        (Edit out the youtube video. There is a same version of this George Carlin skit on germs with omitted curse words, but this is uncensored. Remove. Thank you.)

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  12. Avatar X-tra says:

    “In all the history of respiratory born viruses of any type, asymptomatic transmission HAS NEVER BEEN THE DRIVER OF OUTBREAKS. The driver of outbreaks is ALWAYS a SYMPTOMATIC PERSON. Even if there is a rare asymptomatic person that might transmit, an EPIDEMIC IS NOT DRIVEN BY ASYMPTOMATIC CARRIERS”

     
    A few months ago, I was tested positive for COVID. I was asymptomatic so I didn’t know I had it. I did the PCR test and later the antigen test. Positive for both. We are 10 in my household (my husband, kids, sister, niece, parents & grandparents). None tested positive. We are what many would call an old fashion family. We have breakfast and eat dinner together every night. We spend time together (no masks & no social distancing) as an entire family on a daily basis. No one except for me tested positive. Would you call this luck? Fauci being right? Science being wrong?

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  13. Baggins Baggins says:

    Here. Try alternate medical advice from independent certified practitioners, whom and are not beholden to financial conflicts of interest with governmental control systems or pharmaceutical companies. Just a half hour of non stop doctor and accredited medical person clips, recommending you not get this vaccine.

    “This is a growing body of doctors, scientists, academics and lawyers. We believe that there had been an overestimation of public health risk from covid sars2 due to misrepresentation of data and inappropriate use of the pcr test. We call for the preservation of informed consent, medical choice, and bodily autonomy. As doctors we believe this is absolutely crucial to maintain.”

    https://banned.video/watch?id=5febc6a8c3c5ce1ce2f5f8d7

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    • Avatar hammering hank says:

      Clearly all idiots & quacks.

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      • Baggins Baggins says:

        Yet they post more overall viewers from a network of platforms than most corporate funded ‘news’ sites combined. America’s Frontline Doctors group continues to impress alongside.

        Curious.

        To deny natural immunity is to deny the very basis for vaccines in the first place. Early treatment saves lives. If the vaccine works, why is it not working?

        Somebody appears to be hopelessly propagandized. It is sad, the inability to think and research for ones self, make objective decisions, parroting what they are told on television without question, unable to recognize clear cut conflicts of interest.

        Here, try another source: ‘Try Truth’
        https://www.youtube.com/c/RonPaulLibertyReport

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        • Avatar hammering hank says:

          Vaccine is working….problem is you conspiracy promoting anti vaxers are creating variants.
          Duh.

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          • Avatar Caterina Platt says:

            No. It isn’t. And all the shaming, cancelling and grandstanding isn’t changing the facts.

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            • Avatar hammering hank says:

              You obviously don’t trust science or medical fact. But then you are probably a Trumper too. Wake up before you are “cancelled” off this planet. Godspeed.

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              • Avatar X-tra says:

                Sounds like hank is a “Pandemic worrier”…Pandemic worriers shown to have impaired general cognitive abilities

                An interesting study was recently published explaining why so many people have hysterical reactions to anything related to covid-19:

                Pandemic worriers shown to have impaired general cognitive abilities

                Scientists at McGill University and The Neuro (Montreal Neurological Institute-Hospital) surveyed more than 1,500 Americans online from April to June, 2020. Participants were asked to rate their level of worry about the COVID-19 pandemic and complete a battery of psychological tests to measure their basic cognitive abilities like processing and maintaining information in mind. The data were then compared to results of the same tests collected before the pandemic.

                The researchers found that those who experienced more pandemic-related worry had reduced information processing speed, ability to retain information needed to perform tasks, and heightened sensitivity to the odds they were given when taking risks. The pandemic group performed more poorly on the simple cognitive tasks than the pre-pandemic group. Also, participants in the last wave of data collection showed slower processing speed, lower ability to maintain goals in mind, and were more sensitive to risk than those in the first wave.”

                Sure sounds like hank 🙂

                https://www.mcgill.ca/neuro/channels/news/pandemic-worriers-shown-have-impaired-general-cognitive-abilities-335240

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              • Baggins Baggins says:

                ‘Science’ 2020 ™.

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            • Baggins Baggins says:

              The real pandemic is how gullible the covid cult followers are. With each new booster will come a new variant. Predictable.

              Covid! Now in Magic 2’s! It’s important to brand these things when they are purposefully delivered to market.

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              • Avatar henry jung says:

                The problem is that Trumpsters cultists are dying of COVID 3x more often than non-trumpeters. And then there’s those with ‘long COVID’ and irreversible lung and brain damage, etc. Well, their brains were already damaged to begin with.

                The GOP is now just killing people off so they can “Own the Libs”. Hilarious. Godspeed.

                Seriously, this is in a whole other category of you can’t make this s**t up. Over 790,000 dead so far from Covid in this country alone, and still the republicans insist on enabling the virus.

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          • Avatar X-tra says:

            “hammering hank: Vaccine is working….problem is you conspiracy promoting anti vaxers are creating variants.
            Duh.”

            Wrong!!

            New research finds that COVID-19 vaccine-resistant mutations strongly correlate with vaccination rates.

            “By tracking the evolutionary trajectories of vax-resistant mutations in more than 2.2 million SARS-CoV-2 genomes, we reveal that the occurrence & frequency of vax-resistant mutations correlate strongly with the vaccination rates in Europe and America.”

            https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/acs.jpclett.1c03380

            2.3.Vaccine-resistant mutations and vaccination rates in 12 countries
            Analysis of the vaccination trends and vaccine-resistant mutations leads to a fundamental understanding of the transmission and evolution of vaccine-resistant mutations. We investigate the distribution and time evolution of vaccine-resistant RBD mutation Y449 in 12 countries. As the most observed vaccine-resistant RBD mutation, Y449S has been detected in 12 countries, including Denmark (DK), the United Kingdom (UK), France (FR), Bulgaria (BG), the United States (US), Brazil (BR), Sweden(SE), Canada (CA), Germany (DE), Switzerland (CH), Spain (ES), and Belgium (BE), as illustrated in [*] a. Here, 12 countries that Y449S was found in are in blue. The darker the blue is, the higher frequency of Y449S will be. The number on the side of each country is the total positive cases up to August 31, 2021. Although DK has the smallest positive cases among 12 countries, the frequency of Y449S is the highest. More than 800 patients carry vaccine-resistant mutation Y449S in DK. All of the Y449S-related cases are found in Europe and America, where the vaccination rates in those areas are relatively high. [*] b shows the time evolution of vaccination ratio and the frequency of Y449S in the 12 countries as mentioned above in 30-day periods. The -axis records the date, which ranges from 12/26/2020 to 08/23/2021. The left-hand side -axis shows the frequency of Y499S (red lines), and the right-hand side -axis shows the vaccination ratio. In addition, the orange region shows at least one dose ratio, while the purple region means the fully vaccinated ratio. It can be seen that Y449S was first found in BG and the US in December 2020. However, the frequency of Y449S in BG and the US is quite low before April 2021. After April 2021, Y449S has been quickly spread out to other ten countries. Among them, the total number of cases related to Y449S has a rapid increment tendency, especially in DK, the UK, and FR. Notably, all these three countries have relatively high vaccination ratios (over 70% up to late August 2021). It is worthy to mention that the frequency of Y449S is low in DE, CH, ES, and BE, etc., which is mainly due to the first Y449-related case in these countries was detected after June 2021. Since then, Delta variants dominated in the prevailing variants, which gave Y449S a limited chance to spread out rapidly. Moreover, from [*] , it can be seen that the frequency of Y449S has a similar growing tendency as the fully vaccinated ratio, suggesting that the vaccine-resistant mutations will gradually become one of the main evolution driven forces of SARS-CoV-2, especially in those areas with high vaccination rates.”

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            • Avatar hammering hank says:

              ***This comment was edited by AppraisersBlogs Team. Profanity and personal attacks were edited out.***

              …like those in Omicron, will become a dominating mechanism of SARS-CoV-2 evolution when most of the world’s population is either vaccinated or infected.

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              • hammering hank!

                we encourage lively conversation but we do insist that you follow our guidelines. Threats, trolling, the use of hateful language, or personal attacks is a violation of our guidelines. Your comments do nothing constructive. Using our blog to attack someone anonymously is a form of cowardice and is not permissible. Going forward, please use your full name when commenting. Any comments you make using a fake name, will be deleted.

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                • Avatar henry jung says:

                  Really? I’m the coward arguing with idiots pushing bad info?

                  This blog is for appraisers I thought? Or is it Breitbart? Infowars?

                  Not sure. Hmmm.

                  Seems like this so called blog is for right wing conspiracy promoting weaklings and cultists that push disinformation & misinformation to the ignorant.

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                  • Henry Jung,

                    you are being disruptive and frankly disrespectful. All opinions are welcome here. We do not censor based on point of view, but we will delete or edit comments that are offensive or off topic.

                    Calling people idiots, ignorant, cultists, bagboys, fascists, etc. is unacceptable. You are a professional, and as such should act as one.

                    From the very start, you have been combative with everyone you’ve engaged; Mike Ford, Sandra, Caterina, Baggins, IMJSAYN, etc. Rude, angry and inflammatory comments are unacceptable.

                    Yes, this blog is for appraisers but not a place for colleagues to disrespect one another and no place for rude and snide comments. Disagreement is fine, name calling is not!

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                    • Baggins Baggins says:

                      Rick Sanchez, Media in Crisis. Obvious conflicts of interest issues. As the Omicron hype brought in approximately $3b in instant revenue in a single weeks time, and so many investors in positions of power yet again abused their positions of trust.

                      They hype is silly. Early treatment saves lives and 2 years into this, we do have solutions. We have been living free this whole time and are just fine. We have natural immunity. Most people worried about it are those still captured by fake news media. The majority of deaths are attributable to medical malpractice and a complex network of data manipulation and mis attribution to the true cause. The vaccine is more likely to injure you than anything else.

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  14. Avatar Repost says:

    When the State shuts down millions of private businesses but doesn’t lay off a single government employee, it’s not about your health.

    When the State bans dentists because its unsafe, but deems an abortion visit is safe, it’s not about your health.

    When the State prevents you from buying cucumber seeds because it’s dangerous, but allows personal lottery ticket sales, it’s not about your health.

    When the State tells you it’s dangerous to go golf alone, fish alone or be in a motor boat alone, but the Governor can get his stage make-up done, and hair done for 5 TV appearances a week, it’s not about your health.

    When the state puts you IN a jail cell for walking in a park with your child because it’s too dangerous but lets criminals OUT of jail cells for their health- It’s not about YOUR health!

    When the state tells you it’s too dangerous to get treated by a doctor for chiropractic or physical therapy treatments yet deems a liquor store essential- It’s not about your health!

    When the State lets you go to the grocery store or hardware store but is demanding mail-in voting, ITS NOT ABOUT YOUR HEALTH. WAKE UP PEOPLE — If you think this is all about your health you’re mistaken! Please open your eyes! Stop being lead like blind sheep.

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  15. Baggins Baggins says:

    Not sure if previous post went through. Reposting at least just the link to be on the safe side.

    https://prezi.com/i/gw4zv2c_cwrb/anecdotal-experiences-cvv/

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  16. Avatar Kenneth says:

    Let me see: there is a Global Pandemic that has killed millions of people already, now there are 3 vaccines to stop the pandemic, and they question is, should I die or have the possibility of dieing or should I take the vaccine. Like I said, the question is? Come on think…..

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    • Avatar X-tra says:

      None of these 3 vaccines and no vaccine is going to stop the pandemic. Stop with the MSM propaganda

      https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/the-most-damning-article-about-vaccines

      “This new piece from Reuters – hardly a outpost of anti-vax fanaticism – should terrify vaccine advocates.

      And, honestly, scare the rest of us.

      A reminder: Britain has pursued a mass vaccination strategy as aggressively as any country. It approved Pfizer’s vaccine even before the FDA. More than 80% of Britons over 16 are now fully vaccinated.

      But Britain is in far worse shape than it was at this time last year, when no one was vaccinated. It is now averaging about 140 deaths a day, roughly 10 times as many as mid-September 2020. And hospitalizations and deaths continue to rise.”

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      • Baggins Baggins says:

        Yeah, it’s not working out as planned. Early treatments save lives, there is effective early treatments. Go here you die, go there you live. The effects of heavy handed policies are being felt worldwide as millions rise to protest. The principal of voluntarism must be re adopted or the rolling propaganda machine will never end. Vaccines are now magical, capable of defying both science and logic, their safety claims should not be questioned. We’d have all be better off if the government did absolutely nothing. Flip flopping of positions based on politics has become wildly entertaining. Science! (TM)

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        • Avatar hammering hank says:

          Duh…if anti vaxers were not so selfish; the vaccines would work; but since the brainwashed will not help society as a whole; we get variants.
          wake up to science & facts people.
          conspiracy is for the ignorant.

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          • Baggins Baggins says:

            You have digested talking points and parrot them accurately. Try this one.

            “First time in medical history that the failure of a medicine to work, is blamed on those whom did not take it.”

            You are being lied to by corporations in control of the content.

            Complain all you want, we’re not taking that gene therapy. For one it does not work. Two, people whom consume this appear to be losing mental and rational capacity. Three, we have natural immunity and are simply not worried about germs.

            Look around, identify the hypochondriac in the room. Enjoy the eroding immunity, earned through ignorance and blind trust, failure to take heartfelt warnings seriously, the inability to recognize why censorship is being used.

            We tried to warn this could happen, people marched to the line and consumed the experimental substance anyways. The bright side is the stuff is not working as intended, hence the need for boosters. It wains faster than anticipated which means it’s not too late to simply stop taking it in hopes you may eventually have a functional immune system again.

            https://americasfrontlinedoctors.org/news/post/vaccine-acquired-immune-deficiency-syndrome-vaids-we-should-anticipate-seeing-this-immune-erosion-more-widely/

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          • Avatar X-tra says:

            hank, wrong again!!

            New research finds that COVID-19 vaccine-resistant mutations strongly correlate with vaccination rates.

            “By tracking the evolutionary trajectories of vax-resistant mutations in more than 2.2 million SARS-CoV-2 genomes, we reveal that the occurrence & frequency of vax-resistant mutations correlate strongly with the vaccination rates in Europe and America.”

            https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/acs.jpclett.1c03380

            2.3.Vaccine-resistant mutations and vaccination rates in 12 countries
            Analysis of the vaccination trends and vaccine-resistant mutations leads to a fundamental understanding of the transmission and evolution of vaccine-resistant mutations. We investigate the distribution and time evolution of vaccine-resistant RBD mutation Y449 in 12 countries. As the most observed vaccine-resistant RBD mutation, Y449S has been detected in 12 countries, including Denmark (DK), the United Kingdom (UK), France (FR), Bulgaria (BG), the United States (US), Brazil (BR), Sweden(SE), Canada (CA), Germany (DE), Switzerland (CH), Spain (ES), and Belgium (BE), as illustrated in [*] a. Here, 12 countries that Y449S was found in are in blue. The darker the blue is, the higher frequency of Y449S will be. The number on the side of each country is the total positive cases up to August 31, 2021. Although DK has the smallest positive cases among 12 countries, the frequency of Y449S is the highest. More than 800 patients carry vaccine-resistant mutation Y449S in DK. All of the Y449S-related cases are found in Europe and America, where the vaccination rates in those areas are relatively high. [*] b shows the time evolution of vaccination ratio and the frequency of Y449S in the 12 countries as mentioned above in 30-day periods. The -axis records the date, which ranges from 12/26/2020 to 08/23/2021. The left-hand side -axis shows the frequency of Y499S (red lines), and the right-hand side -axis shows the vaccination ratio. In addition, the orange region shows at least one dose ratio, while the purple region means the fully vaccinated ratio. It can be seen that Y449S was first found in BG and the US in December 2020. However, the frequency of Y449S in BG and the US is quite low before April 2021. After April 2021, Y449S has been quickly spread out to other ten countries. Among them, the total number of cases related to Y449S has a rapid increment tendency, especially in DK, the UK, and FR. Notably, all these three countries have relatively high vaccination ratios (over 70% up to late August 2021). It is worthy to mention that the frequency of Y449S is low in DE, CH, ES, and BE, etc., which is mainly due to the first Y449-related case in these countries was detected after June 2021. Since then, Delta variants dominated in the prevailing variants, which gave Y449S a limited chance to spread out rapidly. Moreover, from [*] , it can be seen that the frequency of Y449S has a similar growing tendency as the fully vaccinated ratio, suggesting that the vaccine-resistant mutations will gradually become one of the main evolution driven forces of SARS-CoV-2, especially in those areas with high vaccination rates.”

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  17. Avatar Caterina Platt says:

    The above tweet shows a chart that tells us all we need to know about the propaganda and hype surrounding this ‘vaccine’. Hard pass on it here.

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  18. Baggins Baggins says:

    https://childrenshealthdefense.org/fauci_info/

    Suggested reading. Sold out quickly even under a media black out, still made top seller. They have a second printing run available now. Put your tin foil hat on and try something other than corporate funded propaganda.

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    • Avatar hammering hank says:

      ***This comment was edited by AppraisersBlogs Team. Profanity and personal attacks were edited out.***

      all lies. but then typical nonsense of the *** crowd. no wonder Kennedy makes the top 10 promoters of misinformation & disinformation.

      don’t take the vaccine ***…do society a favor.

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      • hammering hank,

        We encourage lively debate, but ask that you be respectful of others. If you disagree with someone, please express yourself respectfully. If you disagree with an opinion, feel free to respectfully challenge that opinion. Do not engage in personal attacks (including name-calling) on fellow commenters/appraisers. Please keep it professional and conduct yourself as you would within your own organization. Snide or rude comments are not constructive and certainly not helpful. We count on your cooperation and appreciate your support!

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      • Baggins Baggins says:

        Nothing says you care about public health like wishing death upon others.

        Nothing says trustworthy like falsified data research and censorship.

        Nothing conveys credibility like slander and rude trollish commentary.

        You apparently have a difficult time grasping what censorship means, and why it happens.

        Keep trying, you’ll get there.

        https://thevaccinereaction.org/

        Every post you make provides a great reason to disseminate another information source not subjected to conflicts of interest and regulatory capture. Thanks again. You like the top 10 stuff right? Ask and you shall receive.

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  19. Baggins Baggins says:

    Another variant hype, another 100 billion dollars. That can buy a lot of new infrastructure!

    https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/pfizer-moderna-shareholders-billions-richer-omicron

    Thomas Massie: ‘Pack your bags, you’re going to camp!’

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  20. Baggins Baggins says:

    https://brownstone.org/articles/medicine-should-be-non-violent/

    This is an interesting read. ‘Medicine should be non violent.’

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