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		By: Baggins		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Dec 2024 22:25:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The appraisal gap explained.

https://www.ruraltransformation.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/02/ASC-Appraisal-Bias-Letter_PRT_Final-1.pdf

PARTNERS FOR RURAL TRANSFORMATION
Housing bias is one of many contributing factors for racial disparities in homeownership and wealth and financial well-being between white and communities of color, specifically black communities and must be addressed if we wish to correct the decades of systemic racism within housing policy and the housing industry.  Communities Unlimited, a PRT Partner, tells the story of a community affected by appraisal bias within their footprint: Pine Bluff, Arkansas. The population of Pine Bluff is 76% black/ African American and 18% white. The current median appraised value for owner occupied homes is $78,500. We can compare this to the nearby city of White Hall, with a population that is 70% white and 19% black, and an appraised median value of $170,300. Homes in Pine Bluff appraise significantly lower than homes in White Hall, with appraisers refusing to use comparables from the nearby city of White Hall to adjust to current market rates in the area. 
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White Hall vs Pine Bluff.   A simple comparison of crime in relation to demographic.  Using the governments own statistical data.  This is one example that Partners for Rural Transformation suggested the soon to be retiring Jim Park from the ASC appraisal subcommittee consider in their PAVE task force decision making process.  Let&#039;s review a broader spectrum of data.

http://www.usa.com/white-hall-ar-crime-and-crime-rate.htm
The White Hall crime rate is much lower than the Arkansas average crime rate and is lower than the national average crime rate.
Crime Index, #43

http://www.usa.com/pine-bluff-ar-crime-and-crime-rate.htm
The Pine Bluff crime rate is much higher than the Arkansas average crime rate and is much higher than the national average crime rate.
Crime Index, #200

http://www.usa.com/rank/arkansas-state--crime-index--city-rank.htm
(Pine Bluff is literally at the bottom of the page.)

People pay less for real property when there is substantial differences in amenity and safety, crime related issues, school performance measurements, employment opportunities, etc.  The race baiters call that disparate valuation outcomes, blaming the appraiser for reporting on factual pricing variances which the respective communities and market participants create for themselves.  

http://www.usa.com/
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https://www.greatschools.org/

The same story plays out no matter where you dare to compare through the entire country.  

By eliminating the independent human appraiser and coding in disparate valuation adjustment algorithms into the now approved AVM final rule, the lending community is setting up entire communities to be subjected to lifelong debt traps.  That&#039;s where the proposed HUD 40 year loan modification for delinquent borrowers and FHFA&#039;s 2023 implementation of 115% LTV loan modifications for fannie and freddie have come into play.  Because if the goal is to place people in debt traps, an associated desire is to keep them in debt traps to maximize the financial exploitation.  Any questions?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The appraisal gap explained.</p>
<p><a target="_blank" href="https://www.ruraltransformation.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/02/ASC-Appraisal-Bias-Letter_PRT_Final-1.pdf" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.ruraltransformation.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/02/ASC-Appraisal-Bias-Letter_PRT_Final-1.pdf</a></p>
<p>PARTNERS FOR RURAL TRANSFORMATION<br />
Housing bias is one of many contributing factors for racial disparities in homeownership and wealth and financial well-being between white and communities of color, specifically black communities and must be addressed if we wish to correct the decades of systemic racism within housing policy and the housing industry.  Communities Unlimited, a PRT Partner, tells the story of a community affected by appraisal bias within their footprint: Pine Bluff, Arkansas. The population of Pine Bluff is 76% black/ African American and 18% white. The current median appraised value for owner occupied homes is $78,500. We can compare this to the nearby city of White Hall, with a population that is 70% white and 19% black, and an appraised median value of $170,300. Homes in Pine Bluff appraise significantly lower than homes in White Hall, with appraisers refusing to use comparables from the nearby city of White Hall to adjust to current market rates in the area.<br />
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White Hall vs Pine Bluff.   A simple comparison of crime in relation to demographic.  Using the governments own statistical data.  This is one example that Partners for Rural Transformation suggested the soon to be retiring Jim Park from the ASC appraisal subcommittee consider in their PAVE task force decision making process.  Let&#8217;s review a broader spectrum of data.</p>
<p><a target="_blank" href="http://www.usa.com/white-hall-ar-crime-and-crime-rate.htm" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.usa.com/white-hall-ar-crime-and-crime-rate.htm</a><br />
The White Hall crime rate is much lower than the Arkansas average crime rate and is lower than the national average crime rate.<br />
Crime Index, #43</p>
<p><a target="_blank" href="http://www.usa.com/pine-bluff-ar-crime-and-crime-rate.htm" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.usa.com/pine-bluff-ar-crime-and-crime-rate.htm</a><br />
The Pine Bluff crime rate is much higher than the Arkansas average crime rate and is much higher than the national average crime rate.<br />
Crime Index, #200</p>
<p><a target="_blank" href="http://www.usa.com/rank/arkansas-state--crime-index--city-rank.htm" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.usa.com/rank/arkansas-state&#8211;crime-index&#8211;city-rank.htm</a><br />
(Pine Bluff is literally at the bottom of the page.)</p>
<p>People pay less for real property when there is substantial differences in amenity and safety, crime related issues, school performance measurements, employment opportunities, etc.  The race baiters call that disparate valuation outcomes, blaming the appraiser for reporting on factual pricing variances which the respective communities and market participants create for themselves.  </p>
<p><a target="_blank" href="http://www.usa.com/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.usa.com/</a><br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;<br />
<a target="_blank" href="https://www.greatschools.org/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.greatschools.org/</a></p>
<p>The same story plays out no matter where you dare to compare through the entire country.  </p>
<p>By eliminating the independent human appraiser and coding in disparate valuation adjustment algorithms into the now approved AVM final rule, the lending community is setting up entire communities to be subjected to lifelong debt traps.  That&#8217;s where the proposed HUD 40 year loan modification for delinquent borrowers and FHFA&#8217;s 2023 implementation of 115% LTV loan modifications for fannie and freddie have come into play.  Because if the goal is to place people in debt traps, an associated desire is to keep them in debt traps to maximize the financial exploitation.  Any questions?</p>
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		By: Will		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Will]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Apr 2023 07:02:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://appraisersblogs.com/why-is-only-one-side-of-the-racism-claim-appraisal-story-being-reported/#comment-33052&quot;&gt;Yao Nunoo&lt;/a&gt;.

A well seasoned developer/investor obtains an appraisal first to determine if the project is actually going to be financially feasible and maximally productive.  Don&#039;t fall for those tv shows about home improvement and property flipping which are sponsored by building material companies in order to sell more product.   Cost and value are not synonymous and can easily lead to bankruptcy if not truly understood.  I&#039;m still chuckling about Zillow losing hundreds of millions and Open Door losing $1.4 Billion in 2022 through property flipping.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a target="_blank" href="https://appraisersblogs.com/why-is-only-one-side-of-the-racism-claim-appraisal-story-being-reported/#comment-33052">Yao Nunoo</a>.</p>
<p>A well seasoned developer/investor obtains an appraisal first to determine if the project is actually going to be financially feasible and maximally productive.  Don&#8217;t fall for those tv shows about home improvement and property flipping which are sponsored by building material companies in order to sell more product.   Cost and value are not synonymous and can easily lead to bankruptcy if not truly understood.  I&#8217;m still chuckling about Zillow losing hundreds of millions and Open Door losing $1.4 Billion in 2022 through property flipping.</p>
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		By: Mike Ford		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Ford]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Apr 2023 22:43:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://appraisersblogs.com/why-is-only-one-side-of-the-racism-claim-appraisal-story-being-reported/comment-page-2/#comment-37881&quot;&gt;Will&lt;/a&gt;.

Will the actual odds today are one in eight (so Im told). That means that 7 our of 8 people will NOT receive complaints. It&#039;s a testament to your apparent quality of workmanship as well as good fortune.

Don&#039;t feel left out. NOT ONE STATE requires a credible complaint from actual clients in order to open an investigation that automatically includes you sending your work file for review. They are NOT concerned with the complaints made so much as whether or not they can find fault in other areas. Different states have different levels of integrity.

I hope your good fortune lasts forever.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a target="_blank" href="https://appraisersblogs.com/why-is-only-one-side-of-the-racism-claim-appraisal-story-being-reported/comment-page-2/#comment-37881">Will</a>.</p>
<p>Will the actual odds today are one in eight (so Im told). That means that 7 our of 8 people will NOT receive complaints. It&#8217;s a testament to your apparent quality of workmanship as well as good fortune.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t feel left out. NOT ONE STATE requires a credible complaint from actual clients in order to open an investigation that automatically includes you sending your work file for review. They are NOT concerned with the complaints made so much as whether or not they can find fault in other areas. Different states have different levels of integrity.</p>
<p>I hope your good fortune lasts forever.</p>
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		By: Will		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Will]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Apr 2023 15:30:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I feel so left out.  Forty five years of property inspections now and no one has yet accused me of racism or even stealing something from a home.   How can this be?  However, I was once accused by by a property owner of being too old and stupid so I should just retire because he did not like my opinion of value.   I&#039;m just not receiving my &quot;fair share&quot; of these blanket appraiser complaints.  Again, I feet so left out.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel so left out.  Forty five years of property inspections now and no one has yet accused me of racism or even stealing something from a home.   How can this be?  However, I was once accused by by a property owner of being too old and stupid so I should just retire because he did not like my opinion of value.   I&#8217;m just not receiving my &#8220;fair share&#8221; of these blanket appraiser complaints.  Again, I feet so left out.</p>
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		By: Mike Ford		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Ford]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Apr 2023 04:10:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://appraisersblogs.com/why-is-only-one-side-of-the-racism-claim-appraisal-story-being-reported/comment-page-2/#comment-37773&quot;&gt;Seneca&lt;/a&gt;.

The only surprise to me is that they were able to reach so far down into the barrel without falling in.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a target="_blank" href="https://appraisersblogs.com/why-is-only-one-side-of-the-racism-claim-appraisal-story-being-reported/comment-page-2/#comment-37773">Seneca</a>.</p>
<p>The only surprise to me is that they were able to reach so far down into the barrel without falling in.</p>
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		By: Seneca		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Seneca]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Mar 2023 13:27:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://appraisersblogs.com/why-is-only-one-side-of-the-racism-claim-appraisal-story-being-reported/comment-page-2/#comment-37770&quot;&gt;Pat&lt;/a&gt;.

March 10, 2023
Fannie Mae approves six vendors for controversial new valuation initiative
Participating service providers are Solidifi, Class Valuation, Clear Capital, Mueller Services, Accurate Group and Black Knight&#039;s Collateral Analytics LLC

We all knew her motives all along.  $$$$$$$]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a target="_blank" href="https://appraisersblogs.com/why-is-only-one-side-of-the-racism-claim-appraisal-story-being-reported/comment-page-2/#comment-37770">Pat</a>.</p>
<p>March 10, 2023<br />
Fannie Mae approves six vendors for controversial new valuation initiative<br />
Participating service providers are Solidifi, Class Valuation, Clear Capital, Mueller Services, Accurate Group and Black Knight&#8217;s Collateral Analytics LLC</p>
<p>We all knew her motives all along.  $$$$$$$</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pat]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Mar 2023 11:56:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Omg
Her employer 
Her statement about APPRAISAL REFORM
Hhmmmmmmmm can you say Hidden Agenda???]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Omg<br />
Her employer<br />
Her statement about APPRAISAL REFORM<br />
Hhmmmmmmmm can you say Hidden Agenda???</p>
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		By: HK		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[HK]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jun 2022 01:16:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://appraisersblogs.com/why-is-only-one-side-of-the-racism-claim-appraisal-story-being-reported/#comment-34796&quot;&gt;Mike Ford&lt;/a&gt;.

Did your mothers, fathers and religious leaders take an “anti-racism” course?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a target="_blank" href="https://appraisersblogs.com/why-is-only-one-side-of-the-racism-claim-appraisal-story-being-reported/#comment-34796">Mike Ford</a>.</p>
<p>Did your mothers, fathers and religious leaders take an “anti-racism” course?</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Ford]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jun 2022 01:01:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://appraisersblogs.com/why-is-only-one-side-of-the-racism-claim-appraisal-story-being-reported/#comment-34795&quot;&gt;HK&lt;/a&gt;.

Some of us took our anti racism courses from our mothers, fathers and religious leaders. We don&#039;t need some leftist racist or opportunists teaching us what they think racism is.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a target="_blank" href="https://appraisersblogs.com/why-is-only-one-side-of-the-racism-claim-appraisal-story-being-reported/#comment-34795">HK</a>.</p>
<p>Some of us took our anti racism courses from our mothers, fathers and religious leaders. We don&#8217;t need some leftist racist or opportunists teaching us what they think racism is.</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[HK]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jun 2022 00:19:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://appraisersblogs.com/why-is-only-one-side-of-the-racism-claim-appraisal-story-being-reported/#comment-30719&quot;&gt;Eric Kessin on Facebook&lt;/a&gt;.

You wouldn’t want to take an “anti-racism” course? Why not?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a target="_blank" href="https://appraisersblogs.com/why-is-only-one-side-of-the-racism-claim-appraisal-story-being-reported/#comment-30719">Eric Kessin on Facebook</a>.</p>
<p>You wouldn’t want to take an “anti-racism” course? Why not?</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Apr 2022 08:45:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://appraisersblogs.com/why-is-only-one-side-of-the-racism-claim-appraisal-story-being-reported/#comment-30755&quot;&gt;rd party observer&lt;/a&gt;.

She could say what specifically was in the reports, rather than showing 1 appraisal is higher than the other, which means nothing really.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a target="_blank" href="https://appraisersblogs.com/why-is-only-one-side-of-the-racism-claim-appraisal-story-being-reported/#comment-30755">rd party observer</a>.</p>
<p>She could say what specifically was in the reports, rather than showing 1 appraisal is higher than the other, which means nothing really.</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Apr 2022 08:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://appraisersblogs.com/why-is-only-one-side-of-the-racism-claim-appraisal-story-being-reported/#comment-31631&quot;&gt;Jerome Porter&lt;/a&gt;.

Have  you heard of pineapples?]]></description>
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<p>Have  you heard of pineapples?</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Apr 2022 08:39:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://appraisersblogs.com/why-is-only-one-side-of-the-racism-claim-appraisal-story-being-reported/#comment-30718&quot;&gt;JC&lt;/a&gt;.

Thing is, even if you do it won&#039;t show racism based on the values.]]></description>
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<p>Thing is, even if you do it won&#8217;t show racism based on the values.</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Apr 2022 08:35:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://appraisersblogs.com/why-is-only-one-side-of-the-racism-claim-appraisal-story-being-reported/#comment-32240&quot;&gt;bob Whitcombe&lt;/a&gt;.

Was actualy 125k and 110k, she bough the house for 100k.]]></description>
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<p>Was actualy 125k and 110k, she bough the house for 100k.</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Apr 2022 08:33:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://appraisersblogs.com/why-is-only-one-side-of-the-racism-claim-appraisal-story-being-reported/#comment-30860&quot;&gt;Greg&lt;/a&gt;.

I figured this was sarcasm, then I realized you were actually serious and I had to laugh.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a target="_blank" href="https://appraisersblogs.com/why-is-only-one-side-of-the-racism-claim-appraisal-story-being-reported/#comment-30860">Greg</a>.</p>
<p>I figured this was sarcasm, then I realized you were actually serious and I had to laugh.</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Ford, American Guild of Appraisers (AGA™)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Mar 2022 17:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://appraisersblogs.com/why-is-only-one-side-of-the-racism-claim-appraisal-story-being-reported/comment-page-2/#comment-33551&quot;&gt;Mark&lt;/a&gt;.

Agree 100%.

Modifying racism to favor one group ALWAYS adversely impacts those outside of that group.

It prevents social growth where we just have an opportunity to enjoy each others varied cultures, ideas and talent.

The very policy and mechanism feds adopted to &#039;measure&#039; fair housing compliance, is the reason racism continues today.

Another metric that doesn&#039;t rely on a census system that collects the exact information all the rest of us are supposed to disregard needs to be found.

Maybe a complaint based system rather than one which permeates all aspects of finance like census tract reporting does?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a target="_blank" href="https://appraisersblogs.com/why-is-only-one-side-of-the-racism-claim-appraisal-story-being-reported/comment-page-2/#comment-33551">Mark</a>.</p>
<p>Agree 100%.</p>
<p>Modifying racism to favor one group ALWAYS adversely impacts those outside of that group.</p>
<p>It prevents social growth where we just have an opportunity to enjoy each others varied cultures, ideas and talent.</p>
<p>The very policy and mechanism feds adopted to &#8216;measure&#8217; fair housing compliance, is the reason racism continues today.</p>
<p>Another metric that doesn&#8217;t rely on a census system that collects the exact information all the rest of us are supposed to disregard needs to be found.</p>
<p>Maybe a complaint based system rather than one which permeates all aspects of finance like census tract reporting does?</p>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Mar 2022 16:40:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The USA has led the world in eliminating social bias related to immutable physical characteristics such as race, especially where it concerns financial dealings, over the past century. This ideal is not even a consideration of populations living in most African and Asian countries as they typically believe that the established culture of the majority race, which was developed over centuries for the population that developed it, is self-evidently biased towards the native population. Western European countries have followed the lead of the USA in this area more so than any other region. Further, the appraisal profession has been a leading light in this conscious, purposeful social transformation. Thus, the reason that racial minorities have found a forum of sympathetic hearings for accusations of &quot;racism&quot; is the centrality of this &quot;colorblind&quot; ideal that has evolved to be at the modern core of both Western Civilization and acceptable appraisal practices. Unfortunately, this ideal has been corrupted by minority &quot;leaders&quot; that have conditioned their followers to use it as a handy excuse for any perceived slight attributable to either individual white people or, when that is not evident, to &quot;systems&quot; of social interaction developed by Western European cultures over millennia.

The reason Jussie Smollett had to fake his race hoax in Chicago was that there were no real-world examples of whites roaming the streets with nooses and bleach looking for black men to abuse. That this was so obviously a hoax yet immediately accepted as &quot;truth&quot;, then publicized and promoted as an example &quot;of where we are in America today&quot; by nearly every media personality and politician in the country (local, state, national and international) with no due diligence, much less an open-minded inquiry seeking the real truth. The most damning aspect of this farce is that even after the irrefutable evidence of fraud was finally, begrudgingly, exposed for public consumption by a few media outlets, the mainstream/legacy media, politicians, and other promoters of this race hoax ignored it instead of apologizing to the public and informing them of the truth in the matter, much less revising their racist worldviews where all whites are irredeemable racists who oppress minorities everywhere all the time.

Finally, it has become fashionable of late to condemn the ideal of being &quot;colorblind&quot;, that is judging individuals based on their character and not the color of their skin, as a &quot;racist&quot; concept. The undermining of this ideal will have disastrous social consequences. It is time to have an honest, real conversation that recognizes the importance of maintaining and seeking to realize the universal ideal of judging individuals based on the color of skin is wrong, no matter what that color may be. The path that we are currently on (emphasizing group identity over individual merit) leads to white people being forced into a corner where they do the same thing as a coping mechanism for defensive purposes, which will set us back 100 years in race relations. And nobody should want that. 

The only way to make race a non-issue is to stop making it an issue.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The USA has led the world in eliminating social bias related to immutable physical characteristics such as race, especially where it concerns financial dealings, over the past century. This ideal is not even a consideration of populations living in most African and Asian countries as they typically believe that the established culture of the majority race, which was developed over centuries for the population that developed it, is self-evidently biased towards the native population. Western European countries have followed the lead of the USA in this area more so than any other region. Further, the appraisal profession has been a leading light in this conscious, purposeful social transformation. Thus, the reason that racial minorities have found a forum of sympathetic hearings for accusations of &#8220;racism&#8221; is the centrality of this &#8220;colorblind&#8221; ideal that has evolved to be at the modern core of both Western Civilization and acceptable appraisal practices. Unfortunately, this ideal has been corrupted by minority &#8220;leaders&#8221; that have conditioned their followers to use it as a handy excuse for any perceived slight attributable to either individual white people or, when that is not evident, to &#8220;systems&#8221; of social interaction developed by Western European cultures over millennia.</p>
<p>The reason Jussie Smollett had to fake his race hoax in Chicago was that there were no real-world examples of whites roaming the streets with nooses and bleach looking for black men to abuse. That this was so obviously a hoax yet immediately accepted as &#8220;truth&#8221;, then publicized and promoted as an example &#8220;of where we are in America today&#8221; by nearly every media personality and politician in the country (local, state, national and international) with no due diligence, much less an open-minded inquiry seeking the real truth. The most damning aspect of this farce is that even after the irrefutable evidence of fraud was finally, begrudgingly, exposed for public consumption by a few media outlets, the mainstream/legacy media, politicians, and other promoters of this race hoax ignored it instead of apologizing to the public and informing them of the truth in the matter, much less revising their racist worldviews where all whites are irredeemable racists who oppress minorities everywhere all the time.</p>
<p>Finally, it has become fashionable of late to condemn the ideal of being &#8220;colorblind&#8221;, that is judging individuals based on their character and not the color of their skin, as a &#8220;racist&#8221; concept. The undermining of this ideal will have disastrous social consequences. It is time to have an honest, real conversation that recognizes the importance of maintaining and seeking to realize the universal ideal of judging individuals based on the color of skin is wrong, no matter what that color may be. The path that we are currently on (emphasizing group identity over individual merit) leads to white people being forced into a corner where they do the same thing as a coping mechanism for defensive purposes, which will set us back 100 years in race relations. And nobody should want that. </p>
<p>The only way to make race a non-issue is to stop making it an issue.</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Feb 2022 15:56:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I was trying not to comment on this story because there is just so much here that is just off and none of it appears to have anything to do with racism.  First you say you are a real estate developer but it sounds to me you havet flipped a couple of houses over the years and had less than desirable results.  Second, you don&#039;t seem to understand the difference between market value, sale price, and costs; as well as the value today might not be the same next month.  Third, high end expensive finishes do not necessarily equate to good quality and craftsmanship. For example: soapstone has a matte dull look and it scratches very easily. That is why most people prefer granite or quartz. Yes it is generally more expensive.  Does not make it better quality.  Kind of like the farm house sink, it looks neat and cost more but once you have one, you might wish you didn&#039;t but now you are stuck because replacing it means replacing the entire counter.  Anyway, I digress and won&#039;t go into a rant on LVP flooring.  The point is appraisers are not in the happy business at least they are not suppose to be.  They are rendering their own, unbiased (hopefully) professional opinions based on market data.  Sometimes the market data is not good and sometimes the market itself is messed up like the one most of us are trying to figure out today. Right now this very second I have on my desk an appraisal assignment in which the buyers signed a contract for $55,500 more than the list price and there are 8 nearly identical comps in the subdivision that have sold in the last 6 months, all for more than list price in 1 DOM but nothing is close to the contract price of my subject.  The buyers of the subject are reportedly in California and have not even seen the property.  The listing agent says they are desperate to buy a house and have been &quot;beat out&quot; on 5 other offers. They are relocating and don&#039;t care about the price, they just want a place to live.  My job is to estimate market value.  I am fairly sure tt is not going to appraise for the contract price but I am fairly sure they are still going to buy it for the contract price because they want it, need it, and don&#039;t care which is perfectly fine.  But when that sale closes, I won&#039;t be using it as a comparable in future reports because it does not meet the definition of market value.   But I know other appraisers&#039; will and hence the dilemma.  The disconnect between &quot;market value&quot; and &quot;contract price&quot; is currently driving a lot of these claims of racism.  Many lenders, real estate agents, builders and the general consumer believe they (market value and contract price) are the same thing.  Unfortunately, there are some appraisers that go along with them because they just want to make people happy (and get more business) and I can&#039;t blame them especially with all the unwarranted claims of racism.  So when there is a large disparity between values, I am fairly confident it has nothing to do with race but more with an appraiser that just wants to keep everyone happy.  I recently refinanced a house and the appraiser came from three counties away (there is at least 100 appraisers in my county) and he asked my wife &quot;what do you think it&#039;s worth&quot;. She told him and wallah!  I was not happy and even complained to the bank that an appraiser should not be talking &quot;value&quot; with someone with a financial interest in the transaction.  They could care less.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was trying not to comment on this story because there is just so much here that is just off and none of it appears to have anything to do with racism.  First you say you are a real estate developer but it sounds to me you havet flipped a couple of houses over the years and had less than desirable results.  Second, you don&#8217;t seem to understand the difference between market value, sale price, and costs; as well as the value today might not be the same next month.  Third, high end expensive finishes do not necessarily equate to good quality and craftsmanship. For example: soapstone has a matte dull look and it scratches very easily. That is why most people prefer granite or quartz. Yes it is generally more expensive.  Does not make it better quality.  Kind of like the farm house sink, it looks neat and cost more but once you have one, you might wish you didn&#8217;t but now you are stuck because replacing it means replacing the entire counter.  Anyway, I digress and won&#8217;t go into a rant on LVP flooring.  The point is appraisers are not in the happy business at least they are not suppose to be.  They are rendering their own, unbiased (hopefully) professional opinions based on market data.  Sometimes the market data is not good and sometimes the market itself is messed up like the one most of us are trying to figure out today. Right now this very second I have on my desk an appraisal assignment in which the buyers signed a contract for $55,500 more than the list price and there are 8 nearly identical comps in the subdivision that have sold in the last 6 months, all for more than list price in 1 DOM but nothing is close to the contract price of my subject.  The buyers of the subject are reportedly in California and have not even seen the property.  The listing agent says they are desperate to buy a house and have been &#8220;beat out&#8221; on 5 other offers. They are relocating and don&#8217;t care about the price, they just want a place to live.  My job is to estimate market value.  I am fairly sure tt is not going to appraise for the contract price but I am fairly sure they are still going to buy it for the contract price because they want it, need it, and don&#8217;t care which is perfectly fine.  But when that sale closes, I won&#8217;t be using it as a comparable in future reports because it does not meet the definition of market value.   But I know other appraisers&#8217; will and hence the dilemma.  The disconnect between &#8220;market value&#8221; and &#8220;contract price&#8221; is currently driving a lot of these claims of racism.  Many lenders, real estate agents, builders and the general consumer believe they (market value and contract price) are the same thing.  Unfortunately, there are some appraisers that go along with them because they just want to make people happy (and get more business) and I can&#8217;t blame them especially with all the unwarranted claims of racism.  So when there is a large disparity between values, I am fairly confident it has nothing to do with race but more with an appraiser that just wants to keep everyone happy.  I recently refinanced a house and the appraiser came from three counties away (there is at least 100 appraisers in my county) and he asked my wife &#8220;what do you think it&#8217;s worth&#8221;. She told him and wallah!  I was not happy and even complained to the bank that an appraiser should not be talking &#8220;value&#8221; with someone with a financial interest in the transaction.  They could care less.</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[I have read your posts and I am not sure what your expectations are regarding the post. Clearly you believe that racism on the part of an appraiser exists, no one here can determine if your opinion is accurate. I am confident that my colleagues would agree that if your issues are directly related to racism on the part of an appraiser then that appraiser needs to punished.  

However, we have yet to see any evidence in any of the cases amplified in news media or  your situation that indicates racism. That is not to say your experience did not bring you to that conclusion. I would ask that you identify which of the nine appraisals were completed by a racist appraiser. 

Most people do not understand the appraisal process or the product, everyone seems to believe they do, including some poorly trained appraisers.  

In regard to your original post, there are some red flags that I would consider if I were looking at this, the first is the time frame between the appraisals, every appraisal has an effective date and markets change rapidly. Additionally, the different intended uses of the reports as well as the lender may have played a part. Neither the use or the lender should result in a significant variation in the opinion of value on the effective date. But, the reality is that many national lenders do not hire the best appraisers, they hire the cheapest and fastest. 

Fact: there are bad appraisers that over value as well as under value properties and it is not related to race but is generally a sign of poor training, bad habits, laziness or speed. 

I wish you success in your future endeavors.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have read your posts and I am not sure what your expectations are regarding the post. Clearly you believe that racism on the part of an appraiser exists, no one here can determine if your opinion is accurate. I am confident that my colleagues would agree that if your issues are directly related to racism on the part of an appraiser then that appraiser needs to punished.  </p>
<p>However, we have yet to see any evidence in any of the cases amplified in news media or  your situation that indicates racism. That is not to say your experience did not bring you to that conclusion. I would ask that you identify which of the nine appraisals were completed by a racist appraiser. </p>
<p>Most people do not understand the appraisal process or the product, everyone seems to believe they do, including some poorly trained appraisers.  </p>
<p>In regard to your original post, there are some red flags that I would consider if I were looking at this, the first is the time frame between the appraisals, every appraisal has an effective date and markets change rapidly. Additionally, the different intended uses of the reports as well as the lender may have played a part. Neither the use or the lender should result in a significant variation in the opinion of value on the effective date. But, the reality is that many national lenders do not hire the best appraisers, they hire the cheapest and fastest. </p>
<p>Fact: there are bad appraisers that over value as well as under value properties and it is not related to race but is generally a sign of poor training, bad habits, laziness or speed. </p>
<p>I wish you success in your future endeavors.</p>
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		By: Yao Nunoo		</title>
		<link>https://appraisersblogs.com/why-is-only-one-side-of-the-racism-claim-appraisal-story-being-reported/#comment-33063</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Yao Nunoo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Feb 2022 01:52:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://appraisersblogs.com/why-is-only-one-side-of-the-racism-claim-appraisal-story-being-reported/#comment-33061&quot;&gt;Seneca&lt;/a&gt;.

I have to admit my comment had a lot in there if you missed it.  It has been frustrating. Seneca, I think that there are folks in every situation that will seek to exploit.  I am not that kind of person. The fact that I refuse to see myself as a victim is the reason why I didn’t not seek legal counsel for the numerous times in the past that this had happened to me. Some people will never know the anguish of telling their kids that the family photos on the wall have to come down because of an appraisal and that daddy and the kids have to leave the house when the appraisal is ongoing.  This is no lie.  What is happening to folks is real.  I regret it if there was any derision in my tone earlier… crickets… this country has come a long way.  There is more integration now.  If this hasn’t happened to you, you can be certain that I had happened to a close friend, or family member who is not white.  I don’t think it is fair.  Have I had good appraisers in the past? Absolutely.  Have I had non-white appraisers that I felt low-balled me? Yep. The system needs to change in order for us all to be able to enjoy the fruits of our labor.  Not sure why this is not a fair ask.  Anyway.  Thanks.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a target="_blank" href="https://appraisersblogs.com/why-is-only-one-side-of-the-racism-claim-appraisal-story-being-reported/#comment-33061">Seneca</a>.</p>
<p>I have to admit my comment had a lot in there if you missed it.  It has been frustrating. Seneca, I think that there are folks in every situation that will seek to exploit.  I am not that kind of person. The fact that I refuse to see myself as a victim is the reason why I didn’t not seek legal counsel for the numerous times in the past that this had happened to me. Some people will never know the anguish of telling their kids that the family photos on the wall have to come down because of an appraisal and that daddy and the kids have to leave the house when the appraisal is ongoing.  This is no lie.  What is happening to folks is real.  I regret it if there was any derision in my tone earlier… crickets… this country has come a long way.  There is more integration now.  If this hasn’t happened to you, you can be certain that I had happened to a close friend, or family member who is not white.  I don’t think it is fair.  Have I had good appraisers in the past? Absolutely.  Have I had non-white appraisers that I felt low-balled me? Yep. The system needs to change in order for us all to be able to enjoy the fruits of our labor.  Not sure why this is not a fair ask.  Anyway.  Thanks.</p>
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