You do not just pay a fee and become a MAI or SRA or get a review designation.

AI appraisers pay for a designation yes, but they have to work for it complete courses and other things before they are designated they do not just pay a fee and get to put letters after their name.

Prior to 1990, The Pre Licensing Courses all, but should have been able to be researched by actual transcripts from Appraisal Organizations or Appraisal Instructors for consideration of State Licensed Appraiser rolls.

Appraisers resumes were submitted along with hours in the field for consideration.

I recall including my transcripts of real estate appraisal education, my MRA designation from NAMA at the time along with my active real estate license which allowed me to use the MLS as a agent member to actually prove I was a professional in Real Estate.

My time in real estate began before the internet when Real Estate Professionals used paper photo copies of sales from the weekly MLS Books used by Real Estate Professionals as Agents and by Real Estate Appraisers.

Since you are drilling down on my earlier statement, I hope this answers your question.

So I should take you seriously because since I’ve had people come after me before, I must just be a coward, and therefore my arguments are irrelevant? Yes, we know you’re a big, tough guy Mike. But you also have an intellectually vacant argument, and you can’t respond with substance to anything I’ve actually said. All you can do is attack the writer, instead of the actual argument. Which is typical for your history because you never actually have anything relevant to say You just puff up your chest and tell everybody how hard you fight. But you can’t explain to us why your organization supports political leaders that are trying to do our industry harm. Never once will you ever attempt to answer that question. Who’s really the coward here?

What exactly were the earlier “pre licensing” courses accepted by the states, for?

HPA, he understands the internet. As do I. People remain anonymous because they either truly cannot risk being “doxed”; or they are simply intellectual cowards.

I (and many others) tend take people more seriously when they dont feel so intimidated by others knowing who they are.

Its a personal choice.

For myself, I’ve never felt the need to hide who I am. Also, I don’t mind speaking with other appraisers, or members of the public. I enjoy it.

I’ve been reachable at the same number for decades. 1(714)366-9404. Unless a blocked numbed is calling, I usually answer. When I dont, if a message is left I return it as soon as I’m able to.

All I ask is that calls be made AFTER 10:00 A.M. Pacific time (CA).

Dawn much wisdom in your post. Two circumstantial flaws.

1. No one ever expected to have our profession under daily attack from the current administration for purely partisan purposes. Past groups didn’t fail. The political people and bureaucrats they placed their hopes on did.

2. Democrat grant recipients are making Big Bank ($millions!) by propagating the bias myth. Its gone far beyond appraisal now.

3. NOTHING will change under the current administration. Sadly, our issues may not even be on the radar of the hoped for new administration…an admin that has reason to be skeptical about our profession.

Respectfully, its naive to expect leftists OR Old Guard GOP to do anything because its the right thing to do. They are one and the same Uniparty; Deep State and Swamp Corruption.

John everyone says; “I’ll join when I see someone ELSE achieve results to my liking, without my having to do anything to help.”

Its WHY relatively so little is achieved. CFPB has jurisdictional limitations. I’m not criticizing Josh and everyone’s efforts in that area. Just pointing out expectations may exceed realistic potential results.

PS literally EVERY group still underestimates the influence of MISMO. The real enemy of appraisers, and appraisal credibility.

OA…there are several fallacies after your first vailid point.

We ARE a union. BEING a union is what enabled us to kill an already passed Bill (AB624) back in 2015.

In 2014 I sote the then AFL- CIO President Trumka a letter in response to his annual Presidents letter. At that time I suggested exactly what the Teamsters have just done. Make ANY party seeking support PDOVE a willingness to treat labor and service professionals fairly.

While my suggestion wasnt adopted officially, there was never any retaliation. For ten years I have been ‘allowed’ to express my own and other members views without censorship, push back or resistance. On the contrary.

In 2017 OPEIU President Richard Lannigan listened open mindedly to our proposal to take AGA in a new direction.

Not only did he listen, he assigned Cindy Shu out of NYHQ to assist us in drawing up new Articles of Association; a New Affiliation Agreement with OPEIU and embraced our idea of memorializing NO COMPENSATION for Guild Executives. That alone is contrary to how All other unions operate.

You are correct that a portion of membership dues go “upstairs”. An average of $6.00 per month per member. That doesnt come close to covering OPEIUs costs of administering our Guild.

It didnt remotely cover the FREE Community College members were entitled to.

Im.not a particularly bashful presence online. While AGA officially TRIES to remain party-neutral, the attacks against appraisers for the sole purpose of supporting the Administrations disastrous DEI policies left me no choice.

I have actively refuted every single bias case that I had background on. Despite the sensitive topic NO PUSHBACK from the unions has resulted.

We’ve engaged with numerous state regulators to refute false bias claims. Successfully so in each instance. Including one where a Texas appraiser self described himself as a “Redneck”…in writing! (Remind me to recite the history of “William of the Hills” and how it became “hillbilly” some time.

We (I) routinely amd frequently call out FNMA in writing and in public as well as with state and federal agencies for its outright loan fraud related to quota driven loan buybacks, where as a part of the fraud FNMA files false appraisal complaints called tips.

We have tried the cooperative approach shere possible. Its usually non productive in the long run.

We have not shied from the confrontational approach either. I guarantee my name has been bandied about derisively at FHFA in DC when they told FNMA in Texas to stop the internal leaks to us over Buyback Frauds.

I’ve made no secret of being the only Republican Union Organiser in America; or the only one to admit it. I’ve disclosed that before TAF Public meetings in Redondo Beach, Torrance, and Las Vegas since 2015.

Until the current president threw all appraisers under the bus in 2016 with his confession of feds systemic bias, we TRIED to be non partisan in deference to those of our members who are traditional, nin lunatic democrats.

So “Old Appraiser” the absolute answer to whether AGA has the ability to take different positions from the Plantation Party or not is a resounding yes. (We make it a point to provide written support to other unions across the country on labor issues that are decency and fairness issues, so maybe we derive leeway from that. I dont know. Its never been an issue about speaking our minds.

I’ve seen ALL the “I cant join a union” alternatives over the past ten years. Its the reason appraisers make so little headway, and we are fighting the same battles in 2024 that we fought in 2014.

Each new group has to reinvent the wheel first hand. David knows this. Hes helped several. Hes sincere.

One very successful new group is the one Josh Tucker is the visible contact for. He has gotten the ear and eyes of the Director of the CFPB; Mr. Chopra.

Though CFPB has no mandate over FIRREA issues, they DO have influence over consumer issues. We may see positive results, but mire will be needed.

Also, we have to ask uf Mr. Chopras influence and oresence will disappear in the hoped fir 2025 New Administration.

In which vase they start all over.

OA, ALL unions; coalitions and small focused groups are ultimately dependent on that great majority of appraisers who can always find excuses not to get involved.

AGA continues with a reduced focus. We help appraisers help themselves fight false claims. If another crash hits, we have the data to file several Qui Tam claims. Possibly in the billions. Successful plaintiffs in such vases are entitled to 10% of the claimed losses to the government.

Amounts that COULD affect change.

Appraisers can decide for themselves. Become part of the group proven to be around next week, next month or next year.

Btw- I’d love to see Davids idea develop into a viable group. I KNOW he wont give up in the long haul. Though he may be too impatient in light of how few appraisers actually get involved.

Forgive typos-cant read my phone screen

Ok I do disagree comment. As a member of NAMA and NAA, My course instructor in 1990 was the late George Harrison, Phd of the Lincoln Graduate Center.

He was a mentor to many in the Appraisal Field. The earlier appraisal courses were accepted by the States prior to licensing and we did also have Appraisal Designations after 30 plus hours of course work.

I appraise 99% mostly Estates, Divorces and appear as an Expert Witness Testimony for Real Estate. The NAA is a large organization today and very respectable. AI Appraisers had to pay for their Designations as well so what is your point other than “My group is better than your group”?

You’ve been given solutions. You just don’t want to hear them because they don’t align with your political views. Period. Solution and suggestion number one: get a leadership group organized before you just randomly post. “Hey I think I’ll start an Appraisal organization.”. 2) think through perhaps partnering with an existing organization rather than starting from scratch or explain why none of the multitude of existing organizations are possibly going to do what your new organization is going to do. 3) provide explanation for how you think this new organization will be supported and what your next steps are beyond this blog post. Now, I don’t want to hear another post about how sad you are because people are insulting your poor sensibilities. You’ve been given ideas of something to do that people would find reasonable. If you choose not to act on anything, then you deserve all of the insults you’re getting because your blog post is exactly what everybody has been saying: Nothing serious, just the rantings of somebody who doesn’t really plan to actually organize anything.

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Matt Walsh has made a film exposing the absurdities of the topic. See the film trailers and interview with Ben Shapiro and Matt Walsh online.

For the record, I think the star wars analogy is perfect.

I must say: the DEI agenda is political and a turn off. Appraisers have been PROVEN to be unbiased the vast majority of the time. So any organization or entity who doesn’t stand up to defend us with the published facts that we ARENT biased, they won’t get support. This amazing idea will be dead in the water day 1 if you don’t drop DEI.

What appraisers need: we need help. We need to band together to fight the AMC model, help our peers that are still throwing numbers against the wall like noodles learn to do better and be better WHILE producing good products in a timely fashion. We need education, streamable videos, etc. The mentorship model is flawed and we need training to fill in those gaps.

We also need people to lobby for appraisers in government. Make our voices heard.

Many of our existing appraisal groups were started with good intentions. But when you try to mix messages and get political, you lose. Stick to what is good for consumers AND appraisers, what will improve the profession and protect the public. THAT is what you push, and that is all. Full stop.

Sorry you have trouble understanding the Internet. This is a blog site where most of us try to remain anonymous lest some liberal like the OP try to dox us and cause issues. It’s called sarcasm, it’s not my professional resume. Now, do you have any substantive facts to bring up or, like most with weak arguments are you just whining because someone proved you wrong? I notice you also use your full name and credentials. But sure, let’s convince people with Star Wars like we’re 12 year old boys.

https://www.naappraisers.org/resources/Documents/2022.3.21%20NAA%20Statement%20on%20Bias%20in%20Real%20Estate%20Appraisal.pdf

Bait; meet the hook. They went for it. On the bright side they did a much better job at forming something simple and straight forward then other orgs. Is the only choice here the lessor of two evils? Bearing false witness brings real harm to real people.

I will now embark on a long journey around the world to the most remote places imaginable, inhospitable to life itself. Relying on the good will of man, forsaking all self and possessions of this physical plane. On this journey I will train the mind body and soul to purge myself of inexplicable and often inescapable prejudice. I will transcend beyond the state of a natural man. Then after this augurous test of morality, I’m going to check my computer, looking forward to the next Will Hild woke alert email from Consumers Research group, keep an eye out for the next Bagott article, watch some Ron Paul and sumo wrestling, grill a steak, drink a beer.

The article stated; elected by the members / That’s good, finally appraisers could have a vote.

DEI hiring practices. My vote, my opportunity; vanished into thin air.

So “Midwest Honky” isn’t childish and unprofessional?