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		By: Baggins		</title>
		<link>https://appraisersblogs.com/suspended-the-amc-that-turned-review-into-a-value-demand/#comment-46382</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Baggins]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2026 22:14:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://appraisersblogs.com/suspended-the-amc-that-turned-review-into-a-value-demand/#comment-46381&quot;&gt;Divedude&lt;/a&gt;.

That&#039;s all it would take to get the lenders back to direct assignment.   I&#039;ll remain mystified why investigators looking at these issues do not simply sign up and try to work with amc&#039;s themselves.  Every day of the week.   I&#039;m trying to click up vote over and over but regrettably I can only give you one.  Thanks.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a target="_blank" href="https://appraisersblogs.com/suspended-the-amc-that-turned-review-into-a-value-demand/#comment-46381">Divedude</a>.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s all it would take to get the lenders back to direct assignment.   I&#8217;ll remain mystified why investigators looking at these issues do not simply sign up and try to work with amc&#8217;s themselves.  Every day of the week.   I&#8217;m trying to click up vote over and over but regrettably I can only give you one.  Thanks.</p>
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		By: Divedude		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Divedude]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2026 21:44:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[And this is not the only AMC that does this.  I have one that I think I&#039;ll have a chat with my state board about.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And this is not the only AMC that does this.  I have one that I think I&#8217;ll have a chat with my state board about.</p>
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		By: Baggins		</title>
		<link>https://appraisersblogs.com/suspended-the-amc-that-turned-review-into-a-value-demand/#comment-46339</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Baggins]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2026 19:53:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Here is an interesting update to this story.

The senior appraiser whom had his license suspended in Virginia, appears to be still actively licensed in CA, the home base of the offending amc, and other states.

The amc is still licensed in CA without any apparent suspension as well.

https://www2.brea.ca.gov/breasearch/faces/party/amc.xhtml?id=59430

https://www.asc.gov/individual-appraiser-public/470337

The ASC is such a poorly managed system.  The search mechanisms are antiquated.  Redundant returns.  Unexplained returns of other different people with no association notes.  No detailed reason for suspensions or links to relevant content.  No indication if the licensee is a sole proprietor, employed, etc.  If one performed a state specific search on a licensee whom holds licenses in multiple states, they&#039;d never know about any other suspensions in any other states.   I&#039;ve also recently searched some known suspended appraisers and their suspensions do not appear on the ASC site.   Previous known suspensions appear to simply go away.  There should be one single entry for every licensed appraiser, listing their multiple state licenses in one single entry place, with a permanent retention record, business type, etc.

Lucky breaks that only one appraiser got in trouble and all the people over and under them doing the exact same thing throughout the entire amc industry don&#039;t have to worry.   Also quite beneficial the state appraisal boards do not have auditing power over amc corporations or any other ability to look through all previous activity the person(s) and company(ies) may have been involved with.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is an interesting update to this story.</p>
<p>The senior appraiser whom had his license suspended in Virginia, appears to be still actively licensed in CA, the home base of the offending amc, and other states.</p>
<p>The amc is still licensed in CA without any apparent suspension as well.</p>
<p><a target="_blank" href="https://www2.brea.ca.gov/breasearch/faces/party/amc.xhtml?id=59430" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www2.brea.ca.gov/breasearch/faces/party/amc.xhtml?id=59430</a></p>
<p><a target="_blank" href="https://www.asc.gov/individual-appraiser-public/470337" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.asc.gov/individual-appraiser-public/470337</a></p>
<p>The ASC is such a poorly managed system.  The search mechanisms are antiquated.  Redundant returns.  Unexplained returns of other different people with no association notes.  No detailed reason for suspensions or links to relevant content.  No indication if the licensee is a sole proprietor, employed, etc.  If one performed a state specific search on a licensee whom holds licenses in multiple states, they&#8217;d never know about any other suspensions in any other states.   I&#8217;ve also recently searched some known suspended appraisers and their suspensions do not appear on the ASC site.   Previous known suspensions appear to simply go away.  There should be one single entry for every licensed appraiser, listing their multiple state licenses in one single entry place, with a permanent retention record, business type, etc.</p>
<p>Lucky breaks that only one appraiser got in trouble and all the people over and under them doing the exact same thing throughout the entire amc industry don&#8217;t have to worry.   Also quite beneficial the state appraisal boards do not have auditing power over amc corporations or any other ability to look through all previous activity the person(s) and company(ies) may have been involved with.</p>
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		By: Pray Hard		</title>
		<link>https://appraisersblogs.com/suspended-the-amc-that-turned-review-into-a-value-demand/#comment-46225</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pray Hard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2026 17:08:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Got a new &quot;score card&quot; thingy from Valuelink today. Treating us like grade schoolers is another thing I really enjoy about doing appraisals for AMC&#039;s. I think the last time I cared about report cards was some time in the Spring of 1968. Well, maybe I cared a little bit while in college.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Got a new &#8220;score card&#8221; thingy from Valuelink today. Treating us like grade schoolers is another thing I really enjoy about doing appraisals for AMC&#8217;s. I think the last time I cared about report cards was some time in the Spring of 1968. Well, maybe I cared a little bit while in college.</p>
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		By: Frustrated Appraiser		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Frustrated Appraiser]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2026 15:57:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://appraisersblogs.com/suspended-the-amc-that-turned-review-into-a-value-demand/#comment-46204&quot;&gt;Joyce Jenkins Potts&lt;/a&gt;.

Look in the mirror lately? Mr. Turner has done more for appraisers than most. Do you even have a clue what he is actively doing now?  No?  Well, maybe do some research prior to spewing false information and proving you are ungrateful as well as ignorant (in the true sense of the word).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a target="_blank" href="https://appraisersblogs.com/suspended-the-amc-that-turned-review-into-a-value-demand/#comment-46204">Joyce Jenkins Potts</a>.</p>
<p>Look in the mirror lately? Mr. Turner has done more for appraisers than most. Do you even have a clue what he is actively doing now?  No?  Well, maybe do some research prior to spewing false information and proving you are ungrateful as well as ignorant (in the true sense of the word).</p>
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		By: Joyce Jenkins Potts		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joyce Jenkins Potts]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2026 14:50:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://appraisersblogs.com/suspended-the-amc-that-turned-review-into-a-value-demand/#comment-46181&quot;&gt;Pat&lt;/a&gt;.

You&#039;ve been absent from &#039;the room&#039; for a long time.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a target="_blank" href="https://appraisersblogs.com/suspended-the-amc-that-turned-review-into-a-value-demand/#comment-46181">Pat</a>.</p>
<p>You&#8217;ve been absent from &#8216;the room&#8217; for a long time.</p>
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		By: Stephen Francis Sweeney		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stephen Francis Sweeney]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Mar 2026 16:03:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://appraisersblogs.com/suspended-the-amc-that-turned-review-into-a-value-demand/#comment-46183&quot;&gt;Baggins&lt;/a&gt;.

except it was an FHA appraisal with an FHA number assigned to it, so not, they could not go to another appraiser for a different valuation, they were stuck with the FHA appraiser&#039;s valuation and report, so they doubled down and got caught]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a target="_blank" href="https://appraisersblogs.com/suspended-the-amc-that-turned-review-into-a-value-demand/#comment-46183">Baggins</a>.</p>
<p>except it was an FHA appraisal with an FHA number assigned to it, so not, they could not go to another appraiser for a different valuation, they were stuck with the FHA appraiser&#8217;s valuation and report, so they doubled down and got caught</p>
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		By: Joyce J POTTS		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joyce J POTTS]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Mar 2026 14:31:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://appraisersblogs.com/suspended-the-amc-that-turned-review-into-a-value-demand/#comment-46196&quot;&gt;Terry Rohrer&lt;/a&gt;.

Am I the only appraiser that FIRED the VA as a client for exactly the reason you stated.  Their quality of reports due to their reviewers was and continues to be disastrous.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a target="_blank" href="https://appraisersblogs.com/suspended-the-amc-that-turned-review-into-a-value-demand/#comment-46196">Terry Rohrer</a>.</p>
<p>Am I the only appraiser that FIRED the VA as a client for exactly the reason you stated.  Their quality of reports due to their reviewers was and continues to be disastrous.</p>
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		By: Joyce J POTTS		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joyce J POTTS]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Mar 2026 14:28:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://appraisersblogs.com/suspended-the-amc-that-turned-review-into-a-value-demand/#comment-46182&quot;&gt;Baggins&lt;/a&gt;.

It appears we knew each other in a prior life--IVPI would have been a better alternative. The appraisal profession / trade is now in a sustained, drawn out memorial service.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a target="_blank" href="https://appraisersblogs.com/suspended-the-amc-that-turned-review-into-a-value-demand/#comment-46182">Baggins</a>.</p>
<p>It appears we knew each other in a prior life&#8211;IVPI would have been a better alternative. The appraisal profession / trade is now in a sustained, drawn out memorial service.</p>
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		By: Retired Appraiser		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Retired Appraiser]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Mar 2026 05:27:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Meanwhile we celebrate such microscopic victories while AMCs continue to pick millions, if not billions, from our pockets year after year.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Meanwhile we celebrate such microscopic victories while AMCs continue to pick millions, if not billions, from our pockets year after year.</p>
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		By: Pray Hard		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pray Hard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2026 15:58:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://appraisersblogs.com/suspended-the-amc-that-turned-review-into-a-value-demand/#comment-46176&quot;&gt;Ga Appraiser&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;The entire reason AMC’s became prevalent was to reduce pressures regarding value.&quot;

Yeah, that&#039;s what they said. Guess what? They lied. LMAO!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a target="_blank" href="https://appraisersblogs.com/suspended-the-amc-that-turned-review-into-a-value-demand/#comment-46176">Ga Appraiser</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;The entire reason AMC’s became prevalent was to reduce pressures regarding value.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yeah, that&#8217;s what they said. Guess what? They lied. LMAO!</p>
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		By: Pray Hard		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pray Hard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2026 15:55:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://appraisersblogs.com/suspended-the-amc-that-turned-review-into-a-value-demand/#comment-46183&quot;&gt;Baggins&lt;/a&gt;.

And, that&#039;s exactly why they were created. That is, whatever you see actually happening it why whatever it is was created. It wasn&#039;t a mistake or an unintended consequence or whatever the excuse is. It was planned.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a target="_blank" href="https://appraisersblogs.com/suspended-the-amc-that-turned-review-into-a-value-demand/#comment-46183">Baggins</a>.</p>
<p>And, that&#8217;s exactly why they were created. That is, whatever you see actually happening it why whatever it is was created. It wasn&#8217;t a mistake or an unintended consequence or whatever the excuse is. It was planned.</p>
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		By: Pray Hard		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pray Hard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2026 15:49:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[All I can say is that it&#039;s not &quot;appraising&quot; any longer. It&#039;s just political nonsense.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All I can say is that it&#8217;s not &#8220;appraising&#8221; any longer. It&#8217;s just political nonsense.</p>
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		By: Terry Rohrer		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2026 15:48:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://appraisersblogs.com/suspended-the-amc-that-turned-review-into-a-value-demand/#comment-46183&quot;&gt;Baggins&lt;/a&gt;.

Any idea that removes competition will lead to a sorry state of affairs. Look no further than the VA appraisal system. By far the highest fees and lowest quality reports in the industry.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a target="_blank" href="https://appraisersblogs.com/suspended-the-amc-that-turned-review-into-a-value-demand/#comment-46183">Baggins</a>.</p>
<p>Any idea that removes competition will lead to a sorry state of affairs. Look no further than the VA appraisal system. By far the highest fees and lowest quality reports in the industry.</p>
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		By: Pray Hard		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pray Hard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2026 15:47:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://appraisersblogs.com/suspended-the-amc-that-turned-review-into-a-value-demand/#comment-46188&quot;&gt;Baggins&lt;/a&gt;.

And every hour of the day.]]></description>
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<p>And every hour of the day.</p>
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		By: Pray Hard		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pray Hard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2026 15:46:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[So surprising that an AMC would pressure an appraiser. Not.

Me: You&#039;re pressuring me to come up with a higher value based on an appraisal done a year ago by a different appraiser.
AMC: No, we&#039;re not pressuring you, but don&#039;t you think, blah, blah, blah ...
Me: No, what some appraiser appraised it for a year ago is utterly irrelevant currently.
AMC: Well, don&#039;t you think, blah, blah, blah ...
And so it goes ...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So surprising that an AMC would pressure an appraiser. Not.</p>
<p>Me: You&#8217;re pressuring me to come up with a higher value based on an appraisal done a year ago by a different appraiser.<br />
AMC: No, we&#8217;re not pressuring you, but don&#8217;t you think, blah, blah, blah &#8230;<br />
Me: No, what some appraiser appraised it for a year ago is utterly irrelevant currently.<br />
AMC: Well, don&#8217;t you think, blah, blah, blah &#8230;<br />
And so it goes &#8230;</p>
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		By: Joann Stratton		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joann Stratton]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2026 01:23:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Glad to see the action of the Virginia Board and very sincerely hope that other boards take note. I am now retired after 55 years in the business. And all those years I fought the same actions of AMCs, lenders, loan officers, real estate agents, home owners.  Many times without this type of support some fightin more clients than accepting new cliets. But I survived with a clear conscience.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glad to see the action of the Virginia Board and very sincerely hope that other boards take note. I am now retired after 55 years in the business. And all those years I fought the same actions of AMCs, lenders, loan officers, real estate agents, home owners.  Many times without this type of support some fightin more clients than accepting new cliets. But I survived with a clear conscience.</p>
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		By: Baggins		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Baggins]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2026 01:17:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://appraisersblogs.com/suspended-the-amc-that-turned-review-into-a-value-demand/#comment-46191&quot;&gt;CB&lt;/a&gt;.

Thank you as well.  So many years pushing this issue, I hope others have become as well informed about the details.  When I started posting routinely, trying to figure out what&#039;s going on, so many good people here have been the reason I was able to become better educated and subsequently put forth a better argument.  Thank you everyone again.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a target="_blank" href="https://appraisersblogs.com/suspended-the-amc-that-turned-review-into-a-value-demand/#comment-46191">CB</a>.</p>
<p>Thank you as well.  So many years pushing this issue, I hope others have become as well informed about the details.  When I started posting routinely, trying to figure out what&#8217;s going on, so many good people here have been the reason I was able to become better educated and subsequently put forth a better argument.  Thank you everyone again.</p>
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		By: CB		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2026 01:03:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The best solution is to remove AMCs from the problem - it would correct so many injuries to appraisers, and give our profession the respect it deserves.  Great comments as always, Baggins.  The gravestone is so appropriate!!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The best solution is to remove AMCs from the problem &#8211; it would correct so many injuries to appraisers, and give our profession the respect it deserves.  Great comments as always, Baggins.  The gravestone is so appropriate!!</p>
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		By: MX		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MX]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2026 00:01:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://appraisersblogs.com/suspended-the-amc-that-turned-review-into-a-value-demand/#comment-46179&quot;&gt;Joyce J POTTS&lt;/a&gt;.

Appraisers face similar situations like this one all the time. Ethical appraisers walk away. However, there are plenty of appraisers will to do them because they have a family to support or they are just stupid. Glad I planned my exit strategy a decade ago because I knew it was not going to end well.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a target="_blank" href="https://appraisersblogs.com/suspended-the-amc-that-turned-review-into-a-value-demand/#comment-46179">Joyce J POTTS</a>.</p>
<p>Appraisers face similar situations like this one all the time. Ethical appraisers walk away. However, there are plenty of appraisers will to do them because they have a family to support or they are just stupid. Glad I planned my exit strategy a decade ago because I knew it was not going to end well.</p>
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