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		By: Jason L		</title>
		<link>https://appraisersblogs.com/smoke-detectors-appraiser-liability/#comment-37711</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jason L]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Mar 2023 00:25:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://appraisersblogs.com/smoke-detectors-appraiser-liability/#comment-16950&quot;&gt;D. Hobbs&lt;/a&gt;.

*You&#039;re]]></description>
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<p>*You&#8217;re</p>
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		By: Terry L Caldwell		</title>
		<link>https://appraisersblogs.com/smoke-detectors-appraiser-liability/#comment-16996</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Terry L Caldwell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jun 2017 16:22:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;The request to state if the smoke detectors appear to be in working order is common but too vague.&lt;br /&gt;
1. Define appears?  Visual inspection? What are we looking for?  Other than a green indicator light, how can we tell if a detector is working by looking at it?&lt;br /&gt;
2. Working order?  This is a vague and dangerous term commonly used for utilities, air conditioning systems, and now smoke detectors.  An electrician wouldn&#8217;t flip a light switch and declare the electrical system in good working order, so why would I?  I don&#8217;t own a copy of the NEC and wouldn&#8217;t know where to begin.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;For any appraiser asked to offer an opinion on smoke detectors or any other system, if you must comply then include the details of the request, the steps you took to comply, and how you arrived at your conclusion.  Don&#8217;t state that the smoke/carbon detectors are working properly.  State that you pressed the test button and heard an alarm (or did not). State that you did not use any method other than a simple press of a button, and cannot attest as to the function of the alarms in an actual emergency.  State that you recommend inspection by a qualified inspector.  Don&#8217;t assume responsibility for something outside your area of expertise. Charge accordingly.&lt;/p&gt;
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The request to state if the smoke detectors appear to be in working order is common but too vague.<br />
1. Define appears?  Visual inspection? What are we looking for?  Other than a green indicator light, how can we tell if a detector is working by looking at it?<br />
2. Working order?  This is a vague and dangerous term commonly used for utilities, air conditioning systems, and now smoke detectors.  An electrician wouldn&#8217;t flip a light switch and declare the electrical system in good working order, so why would I?  I don&#8217;t own a copy of the NEC and wouldn&#8217;t know where to begin.  </p>
<p>For any appraiser asked to offer an opinion on smoke detectors or any other system, if you must comply then include the details of the request, the steps you took to comply, and how you arrived at your conclusion.  Don&#8217;t state that the smoke/carbon detectors are working properly.  State that you pressed the test button and heard an alarm (or did not). State that you did not use any method other than a simple press of a button, and cannot attest as to the function of the alarms in an actual emergency.  State that you recommend inspection by a qualified inspector.  Don&#8217;t assume responsibility for something outside your area of expertise. Charge accordingly.</p>
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		By: DianaN.		</title>
		<link>https://appraisersblogs.com/smoke-detectors-appraiser-liability/#comment-16957</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jun 2017 21:06:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://appraisersblogs.com/smoke-detectors-appraiser-liability/#comment-16928&quot;&gt;Helmut Schmidt&lt;/a&gt;.

Helmut, get a life and stop putting down hard working legit. appraisers.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a target="_blank" href="https://appraisersblogs.com/smoke-detectors-appraiser-liability/#comment-16928">Helmut Schmidt</a>.</p>
<p>Helmut, get a life and stop putting down hard working legit. appraisers.</p>
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		By: Mike Ford, AGA, CA AG, GAA, RAA, Realtor ®		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Ford, AGA, CA AG, GAA, RAA, Realtor ®]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jun 2017 19:46:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://appraisersblogs.com/smoke-detectors-appraiser-liability/#comment-16950&quot;&gt;D. Hobbs&lt;/a&gt;.

Lol! I&#039;m not certain Helmut is an appraiser at all.]]></description>
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<p>Lol! I&#8217;m not certain Helmut is an appraiser at all.</p>
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		By: Mike Ford, AGA, CA AG, GAA, RAA, Realtor ®		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Ford, AGA, CA AG, GAA, RAA, Realtor ®]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jun 2017 19:44:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://appraisersblogs.com/smoke-detectors-appraiser-liability/#comment-16928&quot;&gt;Helmut Schmidt&lt;/a&gt;.

Helmut read the authors &#039;qualifications&#039; regarding &quot;if the appraiser were a general certified appraiser&quot; or ever appraised anything other than residential property.

My minimum fee for C&#038;I work of any kind is $1,500. Most run in the $2,500 to $3,500 range. &lt;em&gt;At those fees I explain anything the client or sound appraisal practices dictate&lt;/em&gt;. What I don&#039;t do is accept additional liability for things outside my area of expertise. Do you? Stand alone business valuations are charged at rates generally in a range from $3,500 to $7,500.

As for brevity-read it or not. Your choice. Re CAPS I double checked and can&#039;t find what you are referring to though as the Blog Editor has mentioned before their software does sometimes capitalize portions at posting.

In checking the ASC National Registry I find no &#039;Helmut Schmidt&#039; as a licensed or certified appraiser. The AppraisersBlogs are written and intended for appraisers (though of course all are welcome to read and comment).

The focus and method of communicating is usually directed toward other appraisers rather than news or magazine editors; or English majors.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a target="_blank" href="https://appraisersblogs.com/smoke-detectors-appraiser-liability/#comment-16928">Helmut Schmidt</a>.</p>
<p>Helmut read the authors &#8216;qualifications&#8217; regarding &#8220;if the appraiser were a general certified appraiser&#8221; or ever appraised anything other than residential property.</p>
<p>My minimum fee for C&amp;I work of any kind is $1,500. Most run in the $2,500 to $3,500 range. <em>At those fees I explain anything the client or sound appraisal practices dictate</em>. What I don&#8217;t do is accept additional liability for things outside my area of expertise. Do you? Stand alone business valuations are charged at rates generally in a range from $3,500 to $7,500.</p>
<p>As for brevity-read it or not. Your choice. Re CAPS I double checked and can&#8217;t find what you are referring to though as the Blog Editor has mentioned before their software does sometimes capitalize portions at posting.</p>
<p>In checking the ASC National Registry I find no &#8216;Helmut Schmidt&#8217; as a licensed or certified appraiser. The AppraisersBlogs are written and intended for appraisers (though of course all are welcome to read and comment).</p>
<p>The focus and method of communicating is usually directed toward other appraisers rather than news or magazine editors; or English majors.</p>
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		By: Mike Ford, AGA, CA AG, GAA, RAA, Realtor ®		</title>
		<link>https://appraisersblogs.com/smoke-detectors-appraiser-liability/#comment-16951</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Ford, AGA, CA AG, GAA, RAA, Realtor ®]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jun 2017 19:29:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://appraisersblogs.com/smoke-detectors-appraiser-liability/#comment-16926&quot;&gt;Bryan&lt;/a&gt;.

We&#8217;d love to have you Bryan. 
Link &lt;a href=&quot;http://http//www.appraisersguild.org&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http//www.appraisersguild.org&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;p&gt;or Call Jan Bellas, National Membership Coordinator at 1(301) 220-4100; if she&#8217;s not available ask for Leo (Exec VP of Guild). Or call me (714) 366 9404 and I&#8217;ll forward request.&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a target="_blank" href="https://appraisersblogs.com/smoke-detectors-appraiser-liability/#comment-16926">Bryan</a>.</p>
<p>We&#8217;d love to have you Bryan.<br />
Link <a target="_blank" href="http://http//www.appraisersguild.org" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http//www.appraisersguild.org</a></p>
<p>or Call Jan Bellas, National Membership Coordinator at 1(301) 220-4100; if she&#8217;s not available ask for Leo (Exec VP of Guild). Or call me (714) 366 9404 and I&#8217;ll forward request.</p>
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		By: D. Hobbs		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[D. Hobbs]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jun 2017 18:50:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sorry Helmut, YOUR wrong ! This blog  is one of the ONLY news sources that tells it like it REALLY is for the boots on the ground, residential real estate appraiser. We are tired of these AMC&#039;s, there idiot CEO&#039;s  and the &quot;valuation team idiots&quot; creating more work and more liability for no additional  compensation just to justify there existance.  This blog is one of  only a  few news sources that hasn&#039;t either thrown us under the buzz ( whoops) I mean bus, gotten in  bed with the parasite AMC&#039;s for their own financial gain or simply SOLD OUT ! Thanks Appraiser Blogs for all you do and keep up the great  work !]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry Helmut, YOUR wrong ! This blog  is one of the ONLY news sources that tells it like it REALLY is for the boots on the ground, residential real estate appraiser. We are tired of these AMC&#8217;s, there idiot CEO&#8217;s  and the &#8220;valuation team idiots&#8221; creating more work and more liability for no additional  compensation just to justify there existance.  This blog is one of  only a  few news sources that hasn&#8217;t either thrown us under the buzz ( whoops) I mean bus, gotten in  bed with the parasite AMC&#8217;s for their own financial gain or simply SOLD OUT ! Thanks Appraiser Blogs for all you do and keep up the great  work !</p>
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		By: Helmut Schmidt		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Helmut Schmidt]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jun 2017 10:31:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[There is a certain insanity that comes out with these posts on this site. First of all, there is a tremendous lack of brevity. Few are going to read this rambling screed. Second of all, the formatting is almost crazier than SOMEONE TYPING IN ALL CAPS BECAUSE THEY ARE NUTS. Thirdly, the tone is just needlessly confrontational. It reads like an impetuous wife who is MAD and just IS NOT going to take it anymore.

Why not calmly explain that smoke alarms have nothing to do with market value and that appraisers are not qualified to render an opinion?

This in many ways shows why appraisal needs to revert to a system similar to the legal profession. If the author if this article was a general appraiser, and had experience appraising things other than single-family homes, he would know that requests like this are not atypical. For a practicing general appraiser, explaining things like this is a fairly regular professional activity.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a certain insanity that comes out with these posts on this site. First of all, there is a tremendous lack of brevity. Few are going to read this rambling screed. Second of all, the formatting is almost crazier than SOMEONE TYPING IN ALL CAPS BECAUSE THEY ARE NUTS. Thirdly, the tone is just needlessly confrontational. It reads like an impetuous wife who is MAD and just IS NOT going to take it anymore.</p>
<p>Why not calmly explain that smoke alarms have nothing to do with market value and that appraisers are not qualified to render an opinion?</p>
<p>This in many ways shows why appraisal needs to revert to a system similar to the legal profession. If the author if this article was a general appraiser, and had experience appraising things other than single-family homes, he would know that requests like this are not atypical. For a practicing general appraiser, explaining things like this is a fairly regular professional activity.</p>
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		By: DianaN.		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DianaN.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jun 2017 23:34:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Good move Bryan.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good move Bryan.</p>
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		By: Bryan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bryan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jun 2017 19:53:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[That does it - I am joining AGA!!  When is the last time you saw something like this from AI??!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That does it &#8211; I am joining AGA!!  When is the last time you saw something like this from AI??!</p>
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		By: Bye Bye AMC's		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bye Bye AMC's]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jun 2017 19:05:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Tired of these AMC&#039;s trying to control my professional life and put all the liability on our shoulders. How about they start a management company for let&#039;s say, lawyers, doctors etc instead of living off of the fees they steal from appraisers? They are nothing but bottom feeders who figured out a way to make money off of someone else&#039;s hard work because they can&#039;t make any with their own skills...or should say lack of skills]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tired of these AMC&#8217;s trying to control my professional life and put all the liability on our shoulders. How about they start a management company for let&#8217;s say, lawyers, doctors etc instead of living off of the fees they steal from appraisers? They are nothing but bottom feeders who figured out a way to make money off of someone else&#8217;s hard work because they can&#8217;t make any with their own skills&#8230;or should say lack of skills</p>
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		By: Jman		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jun 2017 18:28:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;strong&gt;appraiser of 34 years and your comments are spot on! Also watch for anyone asking you to agree with HUD 92541 on new construction. Same type of issues. &lt;/strong&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>appraiser of 34 years and your comments are spot on! Also watch for anyone asking you to agree with HUD 92541 on new construction. Same type of issues. </strong></p>
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		By: Donald Cox		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Donald Cox]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jun 2017 16:53:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Good Ford.

All except for moving production of your small car to China.

Our product has become hidden in all the requirements made of appraisers beyond their area of expertise, that we have become agents of our client.

Our original purpose was to help a client protect himself, with an independent view of VALUE.

don]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good Ford.</p>
<p>All except for moving production of your small car to China.</p>
<p>Our product has become hidden in all the requirements made of appraisers beyond their area of expertise, that we have become agents of our client.</p>
<p>Our original purpose was to help a client protect himself, with an independent view of VALUE.</p>
<p>don</p>
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		By: Joy Smith on Facebook		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joy Smith on Facebook]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jun 2017 16:19:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Following.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Following.</p>
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		By: Koma		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jun 2017 16:09:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[You know what would solve this and FHA&#039;s new requirements? A HOME INSPECTION! Having it completed and given to us before we visit the property.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know what would solve this and FHA&#8217;s new requirements? A HOME INSPECTION! Having it completed and given to us before we visit the property.</p>
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		By: DianaN,		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jun 2017 16:00:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Mike, you are right on the money again. I&#039;m getting so tired of stupid requests. Just did a house 175 yrs old, made mention it had normal amount of settlement and dampness (stone foundation) for a home this age. They wanted photos of the dampness &#038; settlement. Next they will want us to climb on the roof and check for loose shingles.  Duuuuuuuuh.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike, you are right on the money again. I&#8217;m getting so tired of stupid requests. Just did a house 175 yrs old, made mention it had normal amount of settlement and dampness (stone foundation) for a home this age. They wanted photos of the dampness &amp; settlement. Next they will want us to climb on the roof and check for loose shingles.  Duuuuuuuuh.</p>
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		By: Scott Baczkiewicz on Facebook		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jun 2017 13:16:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Doesn&#039;t sound like his response is very conciliatory. We are still going to require the scope creep of taking photos and commenting on the appearance of functionality . Thank you AGA. Shame on you AMC]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doesn&#8217;t sound like his response is very conciliatory. We are still going to require the scope creep of taking photos and commenting on the appearance of functionality . Thank you AGA. Shame on you AMC</p>
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