Most software can be set for feet or decimal measurement, Marshall Swift also has a conversion chart. Converting inches to decimal is no big deal.

Or one could turn to the local jurisdictions building codes on valid square footage, as the builder reported them to the county, as the county recorded them with the assessors, which the local MLS and sales ages are supposed to be using as the main reference for home sizing.

Or just come up with a totally different system that nobody else in the area uses.

ANSI was a GSE gift to the green building code community, whom sought a standardized measurement recognition for federal contracts and subsidies. As well as being convenient for people whom struggled to perform simple math calculations with inches rather than tenth scale metric.

The concept is not logical, co mingling two entirely different measurement standards. Mandating metric, but only after the foot. Otherwise, standard feet is acceptable. But not acceptable for anything less than a foot. How long before they drop the foot and go with the meter instead?
Pop quiz, what is one tenth of one foot in inches…

ANSI is to a 1/10 of a foot, not 1/10 of an inch. You can measure the upper level from ground level, sometimes you need to go around the outside of the house more than once to make sure you get both levels measured right. I also take some inside measurements, not as easy as you think to get it right.

To be a good data collector requires a high level of skill. The Appraiser is required to measure to ANSI Z 7652021 measurement standards. I have 34 years experience and still have to get the ANSI book out sometimes to decide how to treat some areas of a house. The person that came up with the Data Collection idea had no idea of the skill level of a good Appraiser. My guess is someone wanted to speed up the process when rates were low and appraisal demand was high.

It is just another way for the government to make more money. I would not be in favor of something like this. If there are those who would like to have a person to do this work then check their backgrounds very carefully and hire retired Appraisers and/or Realtors. After all they have been in the business for a long time and know what data an appraiser needs. But government control is not the answer.

The more nuanced question is… why do/should PDCs even exist?

Seems to me that it’s not about any efficiencies, but more about divide, (conquer) and obfuscate…as if somehow the forces that be (lenders & amcs) can make the process even murkier and allow them additional opportunities to work the system and skim additional profits.

In the end, nothing moves any faster or cheaper but in fact probably slower as a result of additional steps in the process and more expensive with more hands in the pot (although in all likelihood, less money for both the appraiser and/or pdc)… and all of it remains hidden from the borrowers (in most cases)!

I for one am not interested in signing my name (or license) to any job where any work is completed by someone that I personally do not take responsibility for!

Troll on. How times change. Supervisor trainee flash cards.

https://quizlet.com/450347455/supervisorytrainee-course-flash-cards/

What should a Trainee Appraiser NOT expect from a Supervisory Appraiser?

paid benefits while in the training position

The AQB requires the Supervisory Appraiser to inspect properties with the Trainee Appraiser until the Trainee Appraiser is competent to make solo inspections. However, the credentialing authority requires the Supervisory Appraiser to inspect all properties with the Trainee Appraiser. What is true about these requirements?

Credentialing authority requirements exceed AQB requirements and must be followed.

Trainee Appraisers are responsible for all of the following except

deciding when they are competent to inspect properties on their own.

Thanks, great feedback.

When I first came into the business it was not a requirement for a senior appraiser to accompany a trainee. The state or client required it. Mine did not. The senior appraiser checked they did or did not inspect ect. Yes, some senior lied about it and when the stuff hit the fan they paid for it.

I know what you mean about shadowing it was a writers slip.

People coming out of college spending all those years getting an education and paid all of that money for college today will not consider becoming an appraiser today.

There are too many other careers that they can start out making a good living from the beginning.

Surely. No one said anything about a trainee running solo and unsupervised at the outset of his/her training. The main point, however, is that it makes more sense, in more ways than one, to have the Appraiser trainee do the work of an unlicensed property data collector. A trainee is licensed as you well know.

Yes. Because the lender is putting the consumers well being first. That’s a great lender and a smart decision, not not allow an unlicensed trainee to pretend to be a legitimate appraiser and run the inspection by themselves without a licensed supervisor present.

Sorry, while AMC’s are part of the problem, remember who they work for. It’s not only AMC’s because I have dealt directly with lenders who do not want any trainee involvement specifically.

If they’d stop sidelining the entire appraisal community, senior appraisers and all, in favor of the amc industry, trainees would be back in the mix. Nobody is sidelining trainees. Because the amc industry did all the hiring instead! The amc industry and their deceptive predatory billing structures has raked billions of dollars which would have otherwise gone to appraisers, and been returned to consumers as cost savings for the service. The solution when conspirators racketeer and collude to defraud consumers and vendors alike, is not to rescind rules that work. The solution is to stop the predatory companies from destroying everyone elses fair dealings and business opportunities.

This is not rocket science. A. Trainees should always operate under a licensed individual. B. Appraisal management companies are the reason appraisers can not afford to hire trainees. C. Trainees whom came up without legitimate mentors are highly likely to do more harm than good.

Did you guys miss the ANSI thread? Enjoy. I kicked out some of the best meme’s on that thread.
https://appraisersblogs.com/ansi-measuring-standard-required-by-fannie-mae-in-2022

Dude, that’s a garden level, not a basement! GXX001

For many years, senior appraisers assisting trainees to get licenses and just signing off on reports after corrections were in violation of many rules, specifically not accompanying the trainee to the inspection themselves. That provided a substantial amount of systemic training deficiency which continues to this day. The requirement for the licensed appraiser to be there in person is a good rule that should not be rescinded.

A trainee earning a decent living? No. That happens after licensing. Do colleges make a big deal about assuring they’re paying students, or do students pay the educator and take loans to get there?

How many years would it take? Depends on the experience of the trainee. For well experienced people whom have already been in the workforce and performed complex tasks, far less than younger people. Talk to PSI about that, last I heard they still don’t ask a single qualification question about regulatory guidelines, rather only focusing on appraisal theory. Why there is such a high rate of license rescission is people can literally become licensed and solicit for services, without knowing a damned thing about any of the rules they are subjected to in providing said service. And they don’t learn that by just feeding reports for signature approval to remote bosses.

Before the appraisal management industry and gse’s jacked up the workflow and redirected so much to realty agents, non appraisers, waivers and such, the senior appraisers provided quality training and had time, because other licensed or administrative staff helped keep up the workflow with pir’s, data entry, communications, basics, etc. Taking a trainee was beneficial and some time off from the grind in a way, partial duty. Trainee holds the dumb end of the tape, drives comps photos, but senior was there to manage the consumer and answer any important questions, assure quality reporting results. Who gives a hoot about consumers anymore anyways, they’ll be fine if the remote trainee process has deficiencies.

The senior appraiser does not shadow the trainee. The trainee shadows the senior appraiser. You have that backwards.

I offered PAREA before that was a thing. I’ll still to this day offer to put an appraisers license into anyone’s hand, legitimately, with the full accompaniment of knowledge and skills required, for $10k a year cost. The trainee pays me. I’ll make money. They’ll earn to the license. Their incentive to stay is I’ll buy them into insurance software and everything, if they keep up with me for another two years. Four years roughly, that’s what it takes. Depending on the state, non compete clauses signed pre training may be applicable. The value to the trainee whom will be handed his ticket on a silver platter, is a long term professional connection they can rely on, helping them navigate an overly complex excessive risk and liability system. We’re not making widgets and we’re not supposed to be kicking out new people left and right just to fill chairs.

Educational providers are not going to provide an adequate substitute for in the field training. And they’d charge far more, only to leave the newly licensed people high and dry with no real world experience or reliable support network. They’ll go down on the first order or contact with aggressive agency, predatory lender, complex challenge, etc, etc.

There was never any barriers to diversity in this industry, except for the federal governments mismanagement of the GSE systems and failure to enforce C&R rules and the $10k/$20k daily recurrent amc fines for every single order sent out in the past fifteen something years since hvcc. There would have been plenty of trainees and 200k+ appraisers instead of only a fraction of a fraction of a fraction being willing to work with corrupt amc industry modeling today.

Call someone with assignment portal systems access. Appraisers would be surprised to find how few out of the total volume of appraisers are even still on these systems. They all left GSE servicing because the amc’s are so god damned awful and unfair to work with.

Get rid of the amc’s and the appraisal industry returns without a second thought. Barriers to entry become a non issue. That’s not going to happen because predatory agency drives policy these days.

Apply for the TAF position. $500k a year income. All you have to do is sell everyone with a license out.

I prefer appraisal 101 and you are deflecting.

You have made a significant point about differentiating primary and secondary data. I think it is important for those reading your comments to have a clear understanding/definition of what primary and secondary are so as to have the proper context of your comments.

I don’t think it is an unreasonable, or particularly difficult request.