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		By: Frank W		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Frank W]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Apr 2023 18:10:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://appraisersblogs.com/sale-price-vs-appraised-value-disconnect/#comment-37954&quot;&gt;JohnnyQ&lt;/a&gt;.

You are the primary target on FHFA, unfortunately.  They are going after those doing credible reports.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a target="_blank" href="https://appraisersblogs.com/sale-price-vs-appraised-value-disconnect/#comment-37954">JohnnyQ</a>.</p>
<p>You are the primary target on FHFA, unfortunately.  They are going after those doing credible reports.</p>
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		By: Baggins		</title>
		<link>https://appraisersblogs.com/sale-price-vs-appraised-value-disconnect/#comment-37961</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Baggins]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Apr 2023 18:35:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://appraisersblogs.com/sale-price-vs-appraised-value-disconnect/#comment-37957&quot;&gt;Bill Johnson&lt;/a&gt;.

Exactly.  Simple rebuttal lines for professional appraisers may include;  Where does the instant equity come from, for the +$45k offer?  Now either the buyer is offering over market, or the selling agent failed to list at market, so which is it?  (Don&#039;t let them shift blame for this activity to appraisers.)  We also used to refer to these types of deals as being possibly straw buyers to artificially prop up pricing so other moneyed interests could cash out or drive up their rental costs if they owned multiple properties in the area, skewed indicators, outliers.
  
This is why I comp search everything prior to accepting orders.  The figure to comp search is the offered price, less any appraisal gap.  Otherwise it&#039;s simply an over market offer which could also be considered defrauding the lender, to entice the commission based agents to all rake a higher commission, by developing a loan for real property at a price point which can not be proven by bonafide closed sales. 
 
Basically the new reality is the same as the old reality, and hopefully more appraisers recognize the importance of the act of comp searching everything before order acceptance.  

$499k to $545k = + $46k / 2.5% commission = $1,150 additional commission over the initial base commission.  $499k / 2.5% = $12,475.

The commission based agents become unable to see clearly or represent fairly, when an additional thousand dollars worth of potential commission is just sitting on the table.   

Two firm rules for appraisers whom want to participate in mortgage lending;  Direct assignment only.  And requiring the lender to employ a licensed appraiser as their head of the appraisal distribution department.  Amc&#039;s don&#039;t count, as the lead panel manager appraiser is shielded by the amc company license, so they basically can get away with any and all forms of applied pressure.  Individual accountability matters.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a target="_blank" href="https://appraisersblogs.com/sale-price-vs-appraised-value-disconnect/#comment-37957">Bill Johnson</a>.</p>
<p>Exactly.  Simple rebuttal lines for professional appraisers may include;  Where does the instant equity come from, for the +$45k offer?  Now either the buyer is offering over market, or the selling agent failed to list at market, so which is it?  (Don&#8217;t let them shift blame for this activity to appraisers.)  We also used to refer to these types of deals as being possibly straw buyers to artificially prop up pricing so other moneyed interests could cash out or drive up their rental costs if they owned multiple properties in the area, skewed indicators, outliers.</p>
<p>This is why I comp search everything prior to accepting orders.  The figure to comp search is the offered price, less any appraisal gap.  Otherwise it&#8217;s simply an over market offer which could also be considered defrauding the lender, to entice the commission based agents to all rake a higher commission, by developing a loan for real property at a price point which can not be proven by bonafide closed sales. </p>
<p>Basically the new reality is the same as the old reality, and hopefully more appraisers recognize the importance of the act of comp searching everything before order acceptance.  </p>
<p>$499k to $545k = + $46k / 2.5% commission = $1,150 additional commission over the initial base commission.  $499k / 2.5% = $12,475.</p>
<p>The commission based agents become unable to see clearly or represent fairly, when an additional thousand dollars worth of potential commission is just sitting on the table.   </p>
<p>Two firm rules for appraisers whom want to participate in mortgage lending;  Direct assignment only.  And requiring the lender to employ a licensed appraiser as their head of the appraisal distribution department.  Amc&#8217;s don&#8217;t count, as the lead panel manager appraiser is shielded by the amc company license, so they basically can get away with any and all forms of applied pressure.  Individual accountability matters.</p>
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		By: PJTMC		</title>
		<link>https://appraisersblogs.com/sale-price-vs-appraised-value-disconnect/#comment-37959</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Apr 2023 11:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://appraisersblogs.com/sale-price-vs-appraised-value-disconnect/#comment-37957&quot;&gt;Bill Johnson&lt;/a&gt;.

Your observation is spot on not to mention the listing Realtor has failed their fudiciary responsibility to the seller by under-listing the property based on the Realtor argument. Realtors do not typically &quot;under-list&quot; a property but no one wants to recognize that. &quot;Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain&quot;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a target="_blank" href="https://appraisersblogs.com/sale-price-vs-appraised-value-disconnect/#comment-37957">Bill Johnson</a>.</p>
<p>Your observation is spot on not to mention the listing Realtor has failed their fudiciary responsibility to the seller by under-listing the property based on the Realtor argument. Realtors do not typically &#8220;under-list&#8221; a property but no one wants to recognize that. &#8220;Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain&#8221;.</p>
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		By: Bill Johnson		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bill Johnson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Apr 2023 22:35:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://appraisersblogs.com/sale-price-vs-appraised-value-disconnect/#comment-37954&quot;&gt;JohnnyQ&lt;/a&gt;.

I just &quot;biased&quot; myself an appraisal to Johnny Q. Listed for $499,000, bid up to $545,000, appraised value $520,000. The subject is inside a 325 unit condo project where 23 units have sold in the past year all for $520,000 or below. Being a semi-flipped property (Renovation Reality), the subject warrants a premium, but with an active model match located directly above ($499,000 / adjustments warranted), market value is $520,000. 

What&#039;s funny about bias Johnny Q, was the agents attempt to justify a value of $545,000 considering her knowledge from three days earlier (the list date) reflected a value of $499,000. 

Seek the truth.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a target="_blank" href="https://appraisersblogs.com/sale-price-vs-appraised-value-disconnect/#comment-37954">JohnnyQ</a>.</p>
<p>I just &#8220;biased&#8221; myself an appraisal to Johnny Q. Listed for $499,000, bid up to $545,000, appraised value $520,000. The subject is inside a 325 unit condo project where 23 units have sold in the past year all for $520,000 or below. Being a semi-flipped property (Renovation Reality), the subject warrants a premium, but with an active model match located directly above ($499,000 / adjustments warranted), market value is $520,000. </p>
<p>What&#8217;s funny about bias Johnny Q, was the agents attempt to justify a value of $545,000 considering her knowledge from three days earlier (the list date) reflected a value of $499,000. </p>
<p>Seek the truth.</p>
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		By: JohnnyQ		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Apr 2023 19:21:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I just “biased” 2 sales this week because there was zero market support for the bloated contract price. Saved the borrower and the lender from over paying. If the buyer wants the property that much, there’s always the out of pocket option, backing out of the purchase, or renegotiation. Should the loan go south at the non supportable price in the future,  both the lender and borrower’s “biased” index digits will be pointing at the appraiser.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just “biased” 2 sales this week because there was zero market support for the bloated contract price. Saved the borrower and the lender from over paying. If the buyer wants the property that much, there’s always the out of pocket option, backing out of the purchase, or renegotiation. Should the loan go south at the non supportable price in the future,  both the lender and borrower’s “biased” index digits will be pointing at the appraiser.</p>
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		By: Will		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Will]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Apr 2023 19:01:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sorry to tell you but the only group with racial bias is the group presently in political power.  There you have it!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry to tell you but the only group with racial bias is the group presently in political power.  There you have it!</p>
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		By: Pat		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pat]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Apr 2023 17:17:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Or the debacle of 2004-2008]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or the debacle of 2004-2008</p>
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		By: Kimberly DeFilppis		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kimberly DeFilppis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Apr 2023 13:32:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Do something! Go to FHFA.gov to give your thoughts ~ 
https://www.fhfa.gov/AboutUs/Contact/Pages/Request-for-Information-Form.aspx]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do something! Go to FHFA.gov to give your thoughts ~<br />
<a target="_blank" href="https://www.fhfa.gov/AboutUs/Contact/Pages/Request-for-Information-Form.aspx" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.fhfa.gov/AboutUs/Contact/Pages/Request-for-Information-Form.aspx</a></p>
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