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		By: Jennie Scott on Facebook		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jennie Scott on Facebook]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2018 07:39:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://appraisersblogs.com/real-estate-agent-vs-appraiser-who-2-call/#comment-23224&quot;&gt;Lane Leppink&lt;/a&gt;.

Art and science &lt;img src=&quot;https://static.xx.fbcdn.net/images/emoji.php/v9/f8c/1.5/28/1f923.png&quot; width=&quot;16&quot; height=&quot;16&quot; alt=&quot;LOL&quot;/&gt;! I recently had a real estate agent literally write a full package advertisement to convince appraiser of the art and science method to value. It was seriously labeled &quot;art and science method&quot;. Apparently, this is the new 4th approach to value! It said something like this...., ignore all comps between the subject and 35 miles and please just use this one sale because it has the cost per square foot we need. The art was the erasing of all sales nearby because nothing has ever, never, ever sold nearby, ever! The science was that the mileage could be calculated at 35 miles away, but to please ignore that. Maybe like a magic trick?

Sorry, had to take a moment and ... sigh, enjoy the memory of why I love my job. I couldn&#039;t resist. Carry on.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a target="_blank" href="https://appraisersblogs.com/real-estate-agent-vs-appraiser-who-2-call/#comment-23224">Lane Leppink</a>.</p>
<p>Art and science <img src="https://static.xx.fbcdn.net/images/emoji.php/v9/f8c/1.5/28/1f923.png" width="16" height="16" alt="LOL"/>! I recently had a real estate agent literally write a full package advertisement to convince appraiser of the art and science method to value. It was seriously labeled &#8220;art and science method&#8221;. Apparently, this is the new 4th approach to value! It said something like this&#8230;., ignore all comps between the subject and 35 miles and please just use this one sale because it has the cost per square foot we need. The art was the erasing of all sales nearby because nothing has ever, never, ever sold nearby, ever! The science was that the mileage could be calculated at 35 miles away, but to please ignore that. Maybe like a magic trick?</p>
<p>Sorry, had to take a moment and &#8230; sigh, enjoy the memory of why I love my job. I couldn&#8217;t resist. Carry on.</p>
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		By: Baggins		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Baggins]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2018 21:16:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://appraisersblogs.com/real-estate-agent-vs-appraiser-who-2-call/#comment-23226&quot;&gt;Jeff Weeks&lt;/a&gt;.

Well that, and greed. Overall mortgage lending volume is on the downturn, likely mid to long term. The independent appraisal position manifested itself through need and environment. These out of the box instant profit amc companies are having a difficult time adapting and tightening their belts. Rather than be fair and adapt, they would in typical vulture capitalistic form, take over the industry completely instead.

The appraiser has individual licensing accountability and for that reason cares about consumer protection and effective due process. The amc companies being corporations without individual accountability and no effective oversight, do not share similar concerns about adequate consumer protection and due process.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a target="_blank" href="https://appraisersblogs.com/real-estate-agent-vs-appraiser-who-2-call/#comment-23226">Jeff Weeks</a>.</p>
<p>Well that, and greed. Overall mortgage lending volume is on the downturn, likely mid to long term. The independent appraisal position manifested itself through need and environment. These out of the box instant profit amc companies are having a difficult time adapting and tightening their belts. Rather than be fair and adapt, they would in typical vulture capitalistic form, take over the industry completely instead.</p>
<p>The appraiser has individual licensing accountability and for that reason cares about consumer protection and effective due process. The amc companies being corporations without individual accountability and no effective oversight, do not share similar concerns about adequate consumer protection and due process.</p>
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		By: Rachel Massey		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rachel Massey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2018 21:02:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://appraisersblogs.com/real-estate-agent-vs-appraiser-who-2-call/#comment-23224&quot;&gt;Lane Leppink&lt;/a&gt;.

Appraisers are very well suited for doing before and after valuations. I wrote this with the idea that other appraisers could find another avenue of work they can provide. Appraisers are by their very definition, competent, independent, impartial and objective. Who wouldn&#039;t want that type of person helping them with this type of problem?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a target="_blank" href="https://appraisersblogs.com/real-estate-agent-vs-appraiser-who-2-call/#comment-23224">Lane Leppink</a>.</p>
<p>Appraisers are very well suited for doing before and after valuations. I wrote this with the idea that other appraisers could find another avenue of work they can provide. Appraisers are by their very definition, competent, independent, impartial and objective. Who wouldn&#8217;t want that type of person helping them with this type of problem?</p>
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		By: Baggins		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Baggins]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2018 20:30:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Art not a science. Return on investment has limitations, especially when a home is already so thoroughly improved above and beyond other properties of similar type in the same locale.

Lane Leppink is overlooking the appraisers essential role as the only non advocate and often non commission based participator with substantial influence in the sales process.

Voila! The agents did their job correctly and our job was easier... Perspective is important, not all agents are all above board and such. Be careful what you wish for.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Art not a science. Return on investment has limitations, especially when a home is already so thoroughly improved above and beyond other properties of similar type in the same locale.</p>
<p>Lane Leppink is overlooking the appraisers essential role as the only non advocate and often non commission based participator with substantial influence in the sales process.</p>
<p>Voila! The agents did their job correctly and our job was easier&#8230; Perspective is important, not all agents are all above board and such. Be careful what you wish for.</p>
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		By: Bill Johnson		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bill Johnson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2018 19:24:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://appraisersblogs.com/real-estate-agent-vs-appraiser-who-2-call/#comment-23224&quot;&gt;Lane Leppink&lt;/a&gt;.

In being a trainee for 4 years in a large appraisal company Lane, I laid eyes on several thousand assignments where the focus was often the fringe issues (lessons to be learned), and thus obtained more experience prior to being able to sign a report on my own, compared to what the typical agent would sale in 5 lifetimes. When the national average is 70 hours to become an agent, please forgive us for double checking THEIR numbers.

Seek the truth.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a target="_blank" href="https://appraisersblogs.com/real-estate-agent-vs-appraiser-who-2-call/#comment-23224">Lane Leppink</a>.</p>
<p>In being a trainee for 4 years in a large appraisal company Lane, I laid eyes on several thousand assignments where the focus was often the fringe issues (lessons to be learned), and thus obtained more experience prior to being able to sign a report on my own, compared to what the typical agent would sale in 5 lifetimes. When the national average is 70 hours to become an agent, please forgive us for double checking THEIR numbers.</p>
<p>Seek the truth.</p>
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		By: Jeff Weeks		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Weeks]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2018 18:25:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://appraisersblogs.com/real-estate-agent-vs-appraiser-who-2-call/#comment-23228&quot;&gt;chris&lt;/a&gt;.

Wish I was a fly on the wall as AMC&#039;s attempt to work with realtors to get these inspections completed. I think they will soon be running to appraisers and say we are sorry we made a big mistake. Of course they would never admit to that.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a target="_blank" href="https://appraisersblogs.com/real-estate-agent-vs-appraiser-who-2-call/#comment-23228">chris</a>.</p>
<p>Wish I was a fly on the wall as AMC&#8217;s attempt to work with realtors to get these inspections completed. I think they will soon be running to appraisers and say we are sorry we made a big mistake. Of course they would never admit to that.</p>
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		By: chris		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[chris]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2018 18:19:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://appraisersblogs.com/real-estate-agent-vs-appraiser-who-2-call/#comment-23226&quot;&gt;Jeff Weeks&lt;/a&gt;.

It&#039;s simply a better revenue stream. They could care less if the homeowner was put under water the day after settlement.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a target="_blank" href="https://appraisersblogs.com/real-estate-agent-vs-appraiser-who-2-call/#comment-23226">Jeff Weeks</a>.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s simply a better revenue stream. They could care less if the homeowner was put under water the day after settlement.</p>
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		By: chris		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[chris]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2018 18:17:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://appraisersblogs.com/real-estate-agent-vs-appraiser-who-2-call/#comment-23224&quot;&gt;Lane Leppink&lt;/a&gt;.

Your not an appraiser, are you ?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a target="_blank" href="https://appraisersblogs.com/real-estate-agent-vs-appraiser-who-2-call/#comment-23224">Lane Leppink</a>.</p>
<p>Your not an appraiser, are you ?</p>
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		By: Jeff Weeks		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Weeks]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2018 16:07:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The only reason this hybrid model is being pushed is so the AMC can control the entire process. Once they have realtors doing the inspections they will then start completing the assignments themselves with their state licensed staff appraiser. That is the only reason for this. Otherwise a straight forward approach would be to allow appraisers have fellow appraisers inspect properties of any license level after properly trained. The unlevel playing field screams take over]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only reason this hybrid model is being pushed is so the AMC can control the entire process. Once they have realtors doing the inspections they will then start completing the assignments themselves with their state licensed staff appraiser. That is the only reason for this. Otherwise a straight forward approach would be to allow appraisers have fellow appraisers inspect properties of any license level after properly trained. The unlevel playing field screams take over</p>
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		By: Lane Leppink		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lane Leppink]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2018 13:25:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I understand the argument that Realtors are &#039;people persons&#039; and their focus is on making relationships that eventually create a sale (or a hopeful history of sales), and appraisers specialize in the business of valuations. It sounds like a typical debate over the &#039;art&#039; of valuation and the &#039;science&#039; of it. Unfortunately, appraisers tend to take on the role of having &#039;achieved&#039; a level of aptitude that is far superior to any Realtor, and their own self-righteousness in the world of valuation tends to blind them about reality. It&#039;s not uncommon for a residential appraiser to apply their &#039;standard market-influenced adjustments&#039; to a comparable&#039;s dissimilarities to the subject to arrive at an adjusted value for the comp. Once all the comps are in line, the adjusted values are averaged and wah-lah, the subject&#039;s appraised value is calculated. The typical residential appraisal has no more idea how to prove their adjustments than a Realtor has in calculating overall values. It&#039;s not really a fair argument to just state that an appraiser is THE person to call in a situation like this.

I&#039;d rather see more effort placed on the valuation of properties where the client has no marketable title (ie: up and coming REO&#039;s). Why is it still acceptable for Realtors to do valuations of properties that the client has no marketable interest in?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I understand the argument that Realtors are &#8216;people persons&#8217; and their focus is on making relationships that eventually create a sale (or a hopeful history of sales), and appraisers specialize in the business of valuations. It sounds like a typical debate over the &#8216;art&#8217; of valuation and the &#8216;science&#8217; of it. Unfortunately, appraisers tend to take on the role of having &#8216;achieved&#8217; a level of aptitude that is far superior to any Realtor, and their own self-righteousness in the world of valuation tends to blind them about reality. It&#8217;s not uncommon for a residential appraiser to apply their &#8216;standard market-influenced adjustments&#8217; to a comparable&#8217;s dissimilarities to the subject to arrive at an adjusted value for the comp. Once all the comps are in line, the adjusted values are averaged and wah-lah, the subject&#8217;s appraised value is calculated. The typical residential appraisal has no more idea how to prove their adjustments than a Realtor has in calculating overall values. It&#8217;s not really a fair argument to just state that an appraiser is THE person to call in a situation like this.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d rather see more effort placed on the valuation of properties where the client has no marketable title (ie: up and coming REO&#8217;s). Why is it still acceptable for Realtors to do valuations of properties that the client has no marketable interest in?</p>
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