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		By: Will		</title>
		<link>https://appraisersblogs.com/pave-may-pave-over-appraisers-the-blame-game-against-appraisers/#comment-34741</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Will]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 May 2022 20:43:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Elections matter.  This is what you get when a left wing identity politics group takes over the Federal Government.  Sorry but Facts Are Stubborn Things.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Elections matter.  This is what you get when a left wing identity politics group takes over the Federal Government.  Sorry but Facts Are Stubborn Things.</p>
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		By: Don Orttenburger		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Don Orttenburger]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Apr 2022 21:02:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://appraisersblogs.com/pave-may-pave-over-appraisers-the-blame-game-against-appraisers/#comment-34173&quot;&gt;Bryan&lt;/a&gt;.

All your comments are correct from an appraisal point of view. The problem is that truth and reliability is an appraisal goal and the goal of PAVE is social engineering. I guess the powers to be think if you artificially increase the value of homes and the resulting loan amounts in a given neighborhood then the average income in that neighborhood will also rise to meet the higher payments. Seems to me that is what happened between 2000 and 2012 and how did that turn out.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a target="_blank" href="https://appraisersblogs.com/pave-may-pave-over-appraisers-the-blame-game-against-appraisers/#comment-34173">Bryan</a>.</p>
<p>All your comments are correct from an appraisal point of view. The problem is that truth and reliability is an appraisal goal and the goal of PAVE is social engineering. I guess the powers to be think if you artificially increase the value of homes and the resulting loan amounts in a given neighborhood then the average income in that neighborhood will also rise to meet the higher payments. Seems to me that is what happened between 2000 and 2012 and how did that turn out.</p>
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		By: Bryan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bryan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Apr 2022 19:12:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://appraisersblogs.com/pave-may-pave-over-appraisers-the-blame-game-against-appraisers/#comment-34170&quot;&gt;Diana N,&lt;/a&gt;.

Of course location matters (well we all thought it did before Maxine got involved).  We have situations here that involve an older improvement on a canal that leads to a river that gives access to the Gulf of Mexico.  FANNIE&#039;s algo will send sales 20 years newer in a gated community within 1 mile with no access to the waterways.  Not at all the same thing!  I was always taught I  should utilize the rule of substitution when selecting comparables.  Just being proximal does not mean comparable.  I can show you areas where the values range from 200k - 2,000k - within a mile of each other.  I do every Appraisal as though I was going to buy the real estate.  Which others would I consider and why.  What is driving the buyer?  What are the major marketing points?  Just going to the same shopping center does not make a comparable.  Good luck out there!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a target="_blank" href="https://appraisersblogs.com/pave-may-pave-over-appraisers-the-blame-game-against-appraisers/#comment-34170">Diana N,</a>.</p>
<p>Of course location matters (well we all thought it did before Maxine got involved).  We have situations here that involve an older improvement on a canal that leads to a river that gives access to the Gulf of Mexico.  FANNIE&#8217;s algo will send sales 20 years newer in a gated community within 1 mile with no access to the waterways.  Not at all the same thing!  I was always taught I  should utilize the rule of substitution when selecting comparables.  Just being proximal does not mean comparable.  I can show you areas where the values range from 200k &#8211; 2,000k &#8211; within a mile of each other.  I do every Appraisal as though I was going to buy the real estate.  Which others would I consider and why.  What is driving the buyer?  What are the major marketing points?  Just going to the same shopping center does not make a comparable.  Good luck out there!</p>
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		By: Diana N,		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Diana N,]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Apr 2022 18:28:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://appraisersblogs.com/pave-may-pave-over-appraisers-the-blame-game-against-appraisers/#comment-33847&quot;&gt;hammering hank&lt;/a&gt;.

I always was taught comps should be within 1 mile or less of the subject, if you had to look elseware it should be in a comparable neighborhood, with similar properties.  Location, location, location.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a target="_blank" href="https://appraisersblogs.com/pave-may-pave-over-appraisers-the-blame-game-against-appraisers/#comment-33847">hammering hank</a>.</p>
<p>I always was taught comps should be within 1 mile or less of the subject, if you had to look elseware it should be in a comparable neighborhood, with similar properties.  Location, location, location.</p>
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		By: Johnny Q		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Johnny Q]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Apr 2022 17:20:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[empower homeowners and homebuyers to take action when they receive a valuation that is lower than expected.” Oh, so a predetermined value is A-Ok? Why bother having an appraisal then. Go find it with no one on the hook.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>empower homeowners and homebuyers to take action when they receive a valuation that is lower than expected.” Oh, so a predetermined value is A-Ok? Why bother having an appraisal then. Go find it with no one on the hook.</p>
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		By: Johnny Q		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Johnny Q]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Apr 2022 17:19:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[empower homeowners and homebuyers to take action when they receive a valuation that is lower than expected.” Oh, so a predetermined value is A-Ok? Why bother having an appraisal then. Go fund it with no one on the hook.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>empower homeowners and homebuyers to take action when they receive a valuation that is lower than expected.” Oh, so a predetermined value is A-Ok? Why bother having an appraisal then. Go fund it with no one on the hook.</p>
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		By: Realist		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Realist]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Apr 2022 20:56:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Unfortunately, the issue is much deeper than just the misplaced blame on the appraiser.  Our bloated deeply corrupt mover and shaker elites do not like (no they actually hate) small business because they can not fully control it to their satisfaction.  They will exploit this contrived issue to achieve their true motives.  Appraisers will be eliminated, or at least become employees of the collective.  And of course, appraisers who care, are moral, and desire to do what is right will find themselves unemployed.  But the crap appraisers who are ignorant, immoral, clueless and don&#039;t give a ____ will be gainfully employed as long as they follow the ever changing PC edicts.  Good is bad, and bad is good - more and more everyday!  This is so sad for the appraiser&#039;s that have worked their rear ends off for decades, and no-nothings with power come along to crush-kill-destroy us.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately, the issue is much deeper than just the misplaced blame on the appraiser.  Our bloated deeply corrupt mover and shaker elites do not like (no they actually hate) small business because they can not fully control it to their satisfaction.  They will exploit this contrived issue to achieve their true motives.  Appraisers will be eliminated, or at least become employees of the collective.  And of course, appraisers who care, are moral, and desire to do what is right will find themselves unemployed.  But the crap appraisers who are ignorant, immoral, clueless and don&#8217;t give a ____ will be gainfully employed as long as they follow the ever changing PC edicts.  Good is bad, and bad is good &#8211; more and more everyday!  This is so sad for the appraiser&#8217;s that have worked their rear ends off for decades, and no-nothings with power come along to crush-kill-destroy us.</p>
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		By: Diana n		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Diana n]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Apr 2022 22:29:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://appraisersblogs.com/pave-may-pave-over-appraisers-the-blame-game-against-appraisers/#comment-33837&quot;&gt;Kelly Rodriguez on Facebook&lt;/a&gt;.

All the more reason why I will probably retire after this year and after 49 years.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a target="_blank" href="https://appraisersblogs.com/pave-may-pave-over-appraisers-the-blame-game-against-appraisers/#comment-33837">Kelly Rodriguez on Facebook</a>.</p>
<p>All the more reason why I will probably retire after this year and after 49 years.</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gerald J Campisi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Apr 2022 21:41:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[What Bias????????????????????]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What Bias????????????????????</p>
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		By: Don Orttenburger		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Don Orttenburger]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Apr 2022 20:04:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://appraisersblogs.com/pave-may-pave-over-appraisers-the-blame-game-against-appraisers/#comment-33846&quot;&gt;That Scott Guy&lt;/a&gt;.

This is a little like the government saying &quot;the way to combat cancer is to stop allowing doctors to render a cancer diagnosis&quot;. As appraisers we report the results of governmental policy and as the saying goes, &quot;don&#039;t blame the messenger&quot;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a target="_blank" href="https://appraisersblogs.com/pave-may-pave-over-appraisers-the-blame-game-against-appraisers/#comment-33846">That Scott Guy</a>.</p>
<p>This is a little like the government saying &#8220;the way to combat cancer is to stop allowing doctors to render a cancer diagnosis&#8221;. As appraisers we report the results of governmental policy and as the saying goes, &#8220;don&#8217;t blame the messenger&#8221;.</p>
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		By: hammering hank		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[hammering hank]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Apr 2022 19:47:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://appraisersblogs.com/pave-may-pave-over-appraisers-the-blame-game-against-appraisers/#comment-33844&quot;&gt;Bryan&lt;/a&gt;.

Location/proximity is the #1 important part of value; hence land value/location.

Location, location, location!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a target="_blank" href="https://appraisersblogs.com/pave-may-pave-over-appraisers-the-blame-game-against-appraisers/#comment-33844">Bryan</a>.</p>
<p>Location/proximity is the #1 important part of value; hence land value/location.</p>
<p>Location, location, location!</p>
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		By: That Scott Guy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[That Scott Guy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Apr 2022 19:43:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This is pure lunacy. 

&quot;steps federal agencies can “take using their existing authorities to enhance oversight and accountability of the appraisal industry and empower homeowners and homebuyers to take action when they receive a valuation that is lower than expected.&quot;

This is akin to giving a drunk 16 year old the keys to Ferrari. I&#039;d just rather they&#039;d be honest and say &quot;if you dont appraise ant contract price, you&#039;ll be turned into your state board, sued, fined, or all the above.
One more nail in the coffin....]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is pure lunacy. </p>
<p>&#8220;steps federal agencies can “take using their existing authorities to enhance oversight and accountability of the appraisal industry and empower homeowners and homebuyers to take action when they receive a valuation that is lower than expected.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is akin to giving a drunk 16 year old the keys to Ferrari. I&#8217;d just rather they&#8217;d be honest and say &#8220;if you dont appraise ant contract price, you&#8217;ll be turned into your state board, sued, fined, or all the above.<br />
One more nail in the coffin&#8230;.</p>
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		By: Bryan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bryan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Apr 2022 19:35:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[AVMs (including the “comparables” sent to you by Fannie) utilize proximity over everything. So…….]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AVMs (including the “comparables” sent to you by Fannie) utilize proximity over everything. So…….</p>
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		By: Mary Cummins		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mary Cummins]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[Great article. Tobias Peter and AEI&#039;s research showed that the research upon which the PAVE report relied was false and misleading. Andre Perry and Freddie Mac&#039;s papers were not published or peer reviewed research. The true research shows that property values are not related to race. Property values correlate with socio-economic factors. People of all races, colors buy the homes they can afford in the areas they can afford. To blame appraisers for &quot;under&quot; valuing these homes is reckless and irresponsible. Below is AEI&#039;s research debunking the PAVE report.

https://www.aei.org/research-products/report/comments-on-the-pave-report/

The government refuses to recognize the real cause of the wealth gap which is the income gap. Instead they help people with less income and less money take on more debt which they can&#039;t easily afford. This can cause these people to lose their homes and be worse off financially in the event of any family emergency or a change in the economy.

The PAVE report and Federal government worked directly with private parties who have an agenda. They worked with Jillian White of Better.com Mortgage and Lisa Rice of the private non-profit Fair Housing Alliance. These people have promoted the false narrative of the &quot;racist white appraiser&quot; for their own agendas of respectively procuring business and grants.

The PAVE report and Federal government are also working directly with businesses who would benefit from the lower cost of AVMs. The cost benefits aren&#039;t passed onto the borrower but pocketed as profits for business. We all know AVMs only are somewhat accurate with the absolute average home. AVMs don&#039;t see condition, upgrades, actual current size, actual current bed/bath count, view, specific location in a neighborhood... because they don&#039;t have that information. It&#039;s GIGO, Garbage In Garbage Out. Homes with full views that are fully remodeled will be under appraised with AVMs while homes in fair C4-C6 condition with negative location factors and no view will be over appraised. 

The government needs to look at real data from unbiased sources in order to help people. They need to stop blaming appraisers for differences caused by other factors. It makes them look totally incompetent.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article. Tobias Peter and AEI&#8217;s research showed that the research upon which the PAVE report relied was false and misleading. Andre Perry and Freddie Mac&#8217;s papers were not published or peer reviewed research. The true research shows that property values are not related to race. Property values correlate with socio-economic factors. People of all races, colors buy the homes they can afford in the areas they can afford. To blame appraisers for &#8220;under&#8221; valuing these homes is reckless and irresponsible. Below is AEI&#8217;s research debunking the PAVE report.</p>
<p><a target="_blank" href="https://www.aei.org/research-products/report/comments-on-the-pave-report/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.aei.org/research-products/report/comments-on-the-pave-report/</a></p>
<p>The government refuses to recognize the real cause of the wealth gap which is the income gap. Instead they help people with less income and less money take on more debt which they can&#8217;t easily afford. This can cause these people to lose their homes and be worse off financially in the event of any family emergency or a change in the economy.</p>
<p>The PAVE report and Federal government worked directly with private parties who have an agenda. They worked with Jillian White of Better.com Mortgage and Lisa Rice of the private non-profit Fair Housing Alliance. These people have promoted the false narrative of the &#8220;racist white appraiser&#8221; for their own agendas of respectively procuring business and grants.</p>
<p>The PAVE report and Federal government are also working directly with businesses who would benefit from the lower cost of AVMs. The cost benefits aren&#8217;t passed onto the borrower but pocketed as profits for business. We all know AVMs only are somewhat accurate with the absolute average home. AVMs don&#8217;t see condition, upgrades, actual current size, actual current bed/bath count, view, specific location in a neighborhood&#8230; because they don&#8217;t have that information. It&#8217;s GIGO, Garbage In Garbage Out. Homes with full views that are fully remodeled will be under appraised with AVMs while homes in fair C4-C6 condition with negative location factors and no view will be over appraised. </p>
<p>The government needs to look at real data from unbiased sources in order to help people. They need to stop blaming appraisers for differences caused by other factors. It makes them look totally incompetent.</p>
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		By: Mike Melser on Facebook		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Melser on Facebook]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Apr 2022 15:13:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This is literally introducing bias to combat bias that is almost non existent.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is literally introducing bias to combat bias that is almost non existent.</p>
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		By: Denise Wibberg Arnold on Facebook		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Denise Wibberg Arnold on Facebook]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Apr 2022 14:39:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The hearing that occurred on 3/29, the AVM question was asked a lot. No one advised that this was the answer. Each of the “experts” suggested that was not going to be the best way to go. It appeared to be all a show. They have an agenda and they will see it through. It matters not what anyone else says.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The hearing that occurred on 3/29, the AVM question was asked a lot. No one advised that this was the answer. Each of the “experts” suggested that was not going to be the best way to go. It appeared to be all a show. They have an agenda and they will see it through. It matters not what anyone else says.</p>
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		By: Kelly Rodriguez on Facebook		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kelly Rodriguez on Facebook]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Apr 2022 14:38:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[So on one side they want to end us and the other they say we need more appraisers. Who would want to get in a career that the government is trying to end?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So on one side they want to end us and the other they say we need more appraisers. Who would want to get in a career that the government is trying to end?</p>
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		By: Ernie Ramos IFA, ASA		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ernie Ramos IFA, ASA]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Apr 2022 13:24:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Great article and very great points Dave. Racial Bias has no business or place in our profession. But for PAVE and other with other agendas to state it is systemic to the appraisal process, is uneducated about the appraisal process. Are their gaps in various ethnic groups economically? of course, but these gaps have nothing to do with independent real estate appraiser opinions of value. Our opinions are derived from how buyers and sellers react in a particular marketplace, not from bias and not with predetermined notions. AVMs are not the answer and in my area Assessments/tax rates have more of a negative affect on values in certain areas than any race, color or income bracket. I wonder if anyone is questioning commercial valuations?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article and very great points Dave. Racial Bias has no business or place in our profession. But for PAVE and other with other agendas to state it is systemic to the appraisal process, is uneducated about the appraisal process. Are their gaps in various ethnic groups economically? of course, but these gaps have nothing to do with independent real estate appraiser opinions of value. Our opinions are derived from how buyers and sellers react in a particular marketplace, not from bias and not with predetermined notions. AVMs are not the answer and in my area Assessments/tax rates have more of a negative affect on values in certain areas than any race, color or income bracket. I wonder if anyone is questioning commercial valuations?</p>
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		By: Kimberly DeFilippis		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kimberly DeFilippis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Apr 2022 12:46:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I wrote my senator.  Did you?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wrote my senator.  Did you?</p>
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