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		By: Baggins		</title>
		<link>https://appraisersblogs.com/independent-contractors-appraiser-employees/#comment-19359</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Baggins]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Feb 2018 15:13:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[When I started, my parents business was actually independent. They were assigned work because they were more competent, not because of performance standards or discounting to provide incentive to be selected.  We appealed to underwriters for approval on panels, nobody else mattered and mb&#039;s had to work with whom the underwriter approved.  We were referenced by salespersons and regular borrowers because of our competency. 6 weeks standard turn and 450+ were common, 15 years ago. Middle management incompetence has decimated this industry and continues to do so. Companies like corelogic mercury and many amc&#039;s have in unison adopted and promoted employee style engagement.  The lady at mercury told me she does not care about the appraisers ethic book and does not want to hear anything about that, &#039;they&#039;re just a technical service company.&#039; If I could get referenced by realtors and approved for quality rather than performance reasons by underwriters I could have really made it in this business.  As it stands now the vast majority of the time I deal with &#039;approval&#039;, I&#039;m talking to some young telecom person who&#039;s not even able to keep up with a simple technical sales phone call. They can&#039;t talk real estate, don&#039;t approve or assign by fdic rules, and they just look at the stats and see if they need more help. Anyone will do and there is a complete absence of well informed quality decision making. Appraisers who cut all the corners get all the love these days. Why a professional appraiser would brag about using datamaster and having a chauffeur, well, a sad state of affairs in this industry. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I started, my parents business was actually independent. They were assigned work because they were more competent, not because of performance standards or discounting to provide incentive to be selected.  We appealed to underwriters for approval on panels, nobody else mattered and mb&#8217;s had to work with whom the underwriter approved.  We were referenced by salespersons and regular borrowers because of our competency. 6 weeks standard turn and 450+ were common, 15 years ago. Middle management incompetence has decimated this industry and continues to do so. Companies like corelogic mercury and many amc&#8217;s have in unison adopted and promoted employee style engagement.  The lady at mercury told me she does not care about the appraisers ethic book and does not want to hear anything about that, &#8216;they&#8217;re just a technical service company.&#8217; If I could get referenced by realtors and approved for quality rather than performance reasons by underwriters I could have really made it in this business.  As it stands now the vast majority of the time I deal with &#8216;approval&#8217;, I&#8217;m talking to some young telecom person who&#8217;s not even able to keep up with a simple technical sales phone call. They can&#8217;t talk real estate, don&#8217;t approve or assign by fdic rules, and they just look at the stats and see if they need more help. Anyone will do and there is a complete absence of well informed quality decision making. Appraisers who cut all the corners get all the love these days. Why a professional appraiser would brag about using datamaster and having a chauffeur, well, a sad state of affairs in this industry. </p>
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		By: Baggins		</title>
		<link>https://appraisersblogs.com/independent-contractors-appraiser-employees/#comment-19358</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Baggins]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Feb 2018 14:58:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://appraisersblogs.com/independent-contractors-appraiser-employees/#comment-19313&quot;&gt;Carl&lt;/a&gt;.

How else can regular phone workers and non real estate technical persons control the process and profit from unnecessary middle management positions? They have to add value somewhere. Enter performance grading which rewards incompetent work on both sides, shutting down traditional time consuming detailed appraisal labor and promotes corner cutting outsourcing and boilerplate above all else. If every single distribution person was required to have an appraisers license, only then could a middle management company begin to make informed intelligent decisions regarding distribution. But if every single person was required to have an appraisers license, all this deceptive practice would have to stop immediately. No more fee skimming, playing people against each other, outright lying and manipulating the process, etc. In the real world, our current situation is that amc&#039;s pay their own technical persons far more than licensed appraisers. They hire technical staff at far greater pay scales. Even many amc&#039;s current hiring pages indicate that you need 5 years experience to be an appraisal reviewer, but only need 3 years in hr or related services to &#039;manage&#039; those appraisers. The goal of amc&#039;s has changed over a very short period from simply raking off the top, to taking the entire amount and replacing the appraiser completely. Group licensing for amc&#039;s has been almost completely ineffective. Now every single employee and worker at an amc clearly needs to carry an appraisers license or these destructive practices will not end and will only continue to accelerate licensed appraiser attrition from the industry. These companies actively discriminate against handicapped, elderly, parents, part timers, and more competent appraisers. But if you play good employee and flip pretyped outsourced work back at a discount beyond your peers, they profit more, and subsequently prefer to send you the work ahead of all others.  Purely profit driven decisions in violation of fdic rules on distribution but since individuals are not licensed, there is no way to hold them accountable to existing rule sets.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a target="_blank" href="https://appraisersblogs.com/independent-contractors-appraiser-employees/#comment-19313">Carl</a>.</p>
<p>How else can regular phone workers and non real estate technical persons control the process and profit from unnecessary middle management positions? They have to add value somewhere. Enter performance grading which rewards incompetent work on both sides, shutting down traditional time consuming detailed appraisal labor and promotes corner cutting outsourcing and boilerplate above all else. If every single distribution person was required to have an appraisers license, only then could a middle management company begin to make informed intelligent decisions regarding distribution. But if every single person was required to have an appraisers license, all this deceptive practice would have to stop immediately. No more fee skimming, playing people against each other, outright lying and manipulating the process, etc. In the real world, our current situation is that amc&#8217;s pay their own technical persons far more than licensed appraisers. They hire technical staff at far greater pay scales. Even many amc&#8217;s current hiring pages indicate that you need 5 years experience to be an appraisal reviewer, but only need 3 years in hr or related services to &#8216;manage&#8217; those appraisers. The goal of amc&#8217;s has changed over a very short period from simply raking off the top, to taking the entire amount and replacing the appraiser completely. Group licensing for amc&#8217;s has been almost completely ineffective. Now every single employee and worker at an amc clearly needs to carry an appraisers license or these destructive practices will not end and will only continue to accelerate licensed appraiser attrition from the industry. These companies actively discriminate against handicapped, elderly, parents, part timers, and more competent appraisers. But if you play good employee and flip pretyped outsourced work back at a discount beyond your peers, they profit more, and subsequently prefer to send you the work ahead of all others.  Purely profit driven decisions in violation of fdic rules on distribution but since individuals are not licensed, there is no way to hold them accountable to existing rule sets.</p>
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		By: Jeff		</title>
		<link>https://appraisersblogs.com/independent-contractors-appraiser-employees/#comment-19349</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Feb 2018 17:35:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://appraisersblogs.com/independent-contractors-appraiser-employees/#comment-19331&quot;&gt;Mike Ford, AGA, GAA, RAA, SCREA, Realtor®&lt;/a&gt;.

Yeah I should show them this article. I told them what transpired. AMC&#039;s are now going to be obligated to post there fees to lenders so this is going to be exposed. These AMC&#039;s are trying to take over our profession. I always said just think of how many certified appraisers Fannie Mae and the AMC&#039;s have facilitated that are no longer appraising. There&#039;s your shortage if there is one. AMC&#039;s should be a thing of the past and I hope some day they will be so we can get back to being revered as professionals.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a target="_blank" href="https://appraisersblogs.com/independent-contractors-appraiser-employees/#comment-19331">Mike Ford, AGA, GAA, RAA, SCREA, Realtor®</a>.</p>
<p>Yeah I should show them this article. I told them what transpired. AMC&#8217;s are now going to be obligated to post there fees to lenders so this is going to be exposed. These AMC&#8217;s are trying to take over our profession. I always said just think of how many certified appraisers Fannie Mae and the AMC&#8217;s have facilitated that are no longer appraising. There&#8217;s your shortage if there is one. AMC&#8217;s should be a thing of the past and I hope some day they will be so we can get back to being revered as professionals.</p>
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		By: Mike Ford, AGA, GAA, RAA, SCREA, Realtor®		</title>
		<link>https://appraisersblogs.com/independent-contractors-appraiser-employees/#comment-19332</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Ford, AGA, GAA, RAA, SCREA, Realtor®]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Feb 2018 00:14:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;Y&#8217;all welcome to join American Guild of Appraisers. We fight back! Contact &lt;a href=&quot;mailto:janbellas@appraisersguild.org&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;janbellas@appraisersguild.org&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Y&#8217;all welcome to join American Guild of Appraisers. We fight back! Contact <a target="_blank" href="mailto:janbellas@appraisersguild.org" rel="nofollow">janbellas@appraisersguild.org</a> </p>
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		By: Mike Ford, AGA, GAA, RAA, SCREA, Realtor®		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Ford, AGA, GAA, RAA, SCREA, Realtor®]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Feb 2018 00:12:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://appraisersblogs.com/independent-contractors-appraiser-employees/#comment-19312&quot;&gt;Jeff&lt;/a&gt;.

Jeff, show your client the two ClearVal Appraisals that were recently posted here and tell them that you don&#039;t work for 10%; and refuse to lower your standards down to those deemed acceptable to Clear Capital.

Excellent article Peter. We need to get the word out to more AMCs and orgs like REVAA. Maybe they&#039;ll get the idea eventually.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a target="_blank" href="https://appraisersblogs.com/independent-contractors-appraiser-employees/#comment-19312">Jeff</a>.</p>
<p>Jeff, show your client the two ClearVal Appraisals that were recently posted here and tell them that you don&#8217;t work for 10%; and refuse to lower your standards down to those deemed acceptable to Clear Capital.</p>
<p>Excellent article Peter. We need to get the word out to more AMCs and orgs like REVAA. Maybe they&#8217;ll get the idea eventually.</p>
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		By: Jeff		</title>
		<link>https://appraisersblogs.com/independent-contractors-appraiser-employees/#comment-19327</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Feb 2018 21:52:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Its a shame how our profession is constantly under attack ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its a shame how our profession is constantly under attack </p>
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		By: Jeff		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Feb 2018 21:50:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://appraisersblogs.com/independent-contractors-appraiser-employees/#comment-19314&quot;&gt;wontobey&lt;/a&gt;.

Yes I completely agree. I have zero interest in working with Clear Capital. The sad thing is there are some really great lenders that I could be doing work for but Clear Capital is standing in the way. Frustrating]]></description>
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<p>Yes I completely agree. I have zero interest in working with Clear Capital. The sad thing is there are some really great lenders that I could be doing work for but Clear Capital is standing in the way. Frustrating</p>
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		By: Bill Johnson		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bill Johnson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Feb 2018 20:26:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[My former appraisal trainer went over to the dark side some years back (Landsafe/BOA), and collected over $130,000 as part of that class action lawsuit. Call it a technicality, miss-classification, or what ever you want, but bottom line all of these companies attempt to rob the professional appraiser in some way or another. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My former appraisal trainer went over to the dark side some years back (Landsafe/BOA), and collected over $130,000 as part of that class action lawsuit. Call it a technicality, miss-classification, or what ever you want, but bottom line all of these companies attempt to rob the professional appraiser in some way or another. </p>
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		By: Bryan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bryan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Feb 2018 19:51:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[As soon as EXOS went in to affect we went off the list. Please hold on to your independence - nothing matters more!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As soon as EXOS went in to affect we went off the list. Please hold on to your independence &#8211; nothing matters more!</p>
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		By: wontobey		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[wontobey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Feb 2018 17:43:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://appraisersblogs.com/independent-contractors-appraiser-employees/#comment-19312&quot;&gt;Jeff&lt;/a&gt;.

Consider yourself lucky. Clear Capital is by far the worst amc. If you want to keep your good reputation, steer clear of CC!

A must read...

http://appraisersblogs.com/clearval-value-hybrid-appraisal]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a target="_blank" href="https://appraisersblogs.com/independent-contractors-appraiser-employees/#comment-19312">Jeff</a>.</p>
<p>Consider yourself lucky. Clear Capital is by far the worst amc. If you want to keep your good reputation, steer clear of CC!</p>
<p>A must read&#8230;</p>
<p><a target="_blank" href="http://appraisersblogs.com/clearval-value-hybrid-appraisal" rel="ugc">http://appraisersblogs.com/clearval-value-hybrid-appraisal</a></p>
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		By: Carl		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Carl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Feb 2018 17:38:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[If only they treated us like employees instead we&#039;re being treated like children. I haven&#039;t needed a report card since elementary school. These AMC scorecards are a joke. Another reason why I don&#039;t deal with AMCs]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If only they treated us like employees instead we&#8217;re being treated like children. I haven&#8217;t needed a report card since elementary school. These AMC scorecards are a joke. Another reason why I don&#8217;t deal with AMCs</p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Feb 2018 17:14:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I have a lender who has tried to get me on Clear Capitals list because they need me in the market to complete appraisers because I have a good reputation. Clear Capital states they have sufficient appraisers in the area at this time. This is an example of an AMC&#039;s overreach to control the market and the appraisers they work with. Not sure if this is a violation or not. Anyone else have insight on this]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a lender who has tried to get me on Clear Capitals list because they need me in the market to complete appraisers because I have a good reputation. Clear Capital states they have sufficient appraisers in the area at this time. This is an example of an AMC&#8217;s overreach to control the market and the appraisers they work with. Not sure if this is a violation or not. Anyone else have insight on this</p>
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		By: Xpert		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Xpert]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Feb 2018 17:05:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The AMCs&#039; appraisal services agreements I have read so far stifle the appraiser&#039;s independence, some violate state and federal law, and place incredible liability on appraiser’s shoulders.

We&#039;ve seen agreements seeking to control the behavior, attire, payment, and actions of the appraiser in a manner similar to an employee. Appraisers are independent contractors but lately I&#039;ve seen AMCs like ServiceLink, Solidifi and Corelogic announce that they are/will be taking over scheduling. Solifi calls it Enhanced Inspection Scheduling where preferred times are offered to consumers. If the appraiser can meet the preferred timeframe, they can accept the order but they need to decline otherwise. Corelogic has something similar and I believe they call it Xcelerator. They are indeed turning independent contractors into employees. Glad to see these appraisers fighting back and getting compensated. If AMCs are going to control you, then why shouldn&#039;t you get the employee benefits?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The AMCs&#8217; appraisal services agreements I have read so far stifle the appraiser&#8217;s independence, some violate state and federal law, and place incredible liability on appraiser’s shoulders.</p>
<p>We&#8217;ve seen agreements seeking to control the behavior, attire, payment, and actions of the appraiser in a manner similar to an employee. Appraisers are independent contractors but lately I&#8217;ve seen AMCs like ServiceLink, Solidifi and Corelogic announce that they are/will be taking over scheduling. Solifi calls it Enhanced Inspection Scheduling where preferred times are offered to consumers. If the appraiser can meet the preferred timeframe, they can accept the order but they need to decline otherwise. Corelogic has something similar and I believe they call it Xcelerator. They are indeed turning independent contractors into employees. Glad to see these appraisers fighting back and getting compensated. If AMCs are going to control you, then why shouldn&#8217;t you get the employee benefits?</p>
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