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		By: don		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[don]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Aug 2022 19:01:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://appraisersblogs.com/how-does-sex-offenders-presence-affect-appraised-value/#comment-30932&quot;&gt;Mag Jones&lt;/a&gt;.

Alice was concerned about a ruling Government not a rabbit hole. A city which allows bad stuff; truckers parking overnight, bands to operate in garages, allows barking dogs creates dissention and turnover.  City councils can only do so much, but the neighborhood is still marked, or not.
Alice disguised the rabbit holes because the Kings and Queens were so powerful.  Cause and Effect; Maby, Maby not.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a target="_blank" href="https://appraisersblogs.com/how-does-sex-offenders-presence-affect-appraised-value/#comment-30932">Mag Jones</a>.</p>
<p>Alice was concerned about a ruling Government not a rabbit hole. A city which allows bad stuff; truckers parking overnight, bands to operate in garages, allows barking dogs creates dissention and turnover.  City councils can only do so much, but the neighborhood is still marked, or not.<br />
Alice disguised the rabbit holes because the Kings and Queens were so powerful.  Cause and Effect; Maby, Maby not.</p>
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		By: mike f		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jul 2022 17:04:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[i came here to read up on valuation impact of a special type of offender, what they call Sexually Violent Predators.  those are a hyper creepy elevated type of predator with long and gruesome pathologies and prison and in some cases other criminal tendencies.  we are seeing the California State Hospital try to place TWO of these EXTRA CREEPY animals into Borrego Springs, CA  now in July 2022.    One is a diagnosed serial pedophile known for grooming and rape, the other a diagnosed SADIST pedophile with arson, kidnapping, gun violence and many many rapes (homosexual and otherwise) in his jacket going back to the 1960&#039;s.    FYI appraisers, it is VERY VERY HARD to find property owners willing to rent to these psychopaths and sadists so they pay about 4 times the going rent to a company called Liberty Healthcare who takes a cut of the action.  once they get a Predator in the homes are considered &quot;suitable&quot; and will simply be a go-to dump for these sadistic animals.    i encourage you all to learn that there are several shades of sex offender...the common creep  that exposes himself, those who groom and the more purely evil type that NO ONE wants nearby.  the presence of that sort will eliminate a HUGE portion of the potential buyer pool.  values get hammered.   (PS i am not the mike ford that commented above).

if anyone of you can add to the effort to stop  these guys being posted up into our &#039;hood please do offer]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i came here to read up on valuation impact of a special type of offender, what they call Sexually Violent Predators.  those are a hyper creepy elevated type of predator with long and gruesome pathologies and prison and in some cases other criminal tendencies.  we are seeing the California State Hospital try to place TWO of these EXTRA CREEPY animals into Borrego Springs, CA  now in July 2022.    One is a diagnosed serial pedophile known for grooming and rape, the other a diagnosed SADIST pedophile with arson, kidnapping, gun violence and many many rapes (homosexual and otherwise) in his jacket going back to the 1960&#8217;s.    FYI appraisers, it is VERY VERY HARD to find property owners willing to rent to these psychopaths and sadists so they pay about 4 times the going rent to a company called Liberty Healthcare who takes a cut of the action.  once they get a Predator in the homes are considered &#8220;suitable&#8221; and will simply be a go-to dump for these sadistic animals.    i encourage you all to learn that there are several shades of sex offender&#8230;the common creep  that exposes himself, those who groom and the more purely evil type that NO ONE wants nearby.  the presence of that sort will eliminate a HUGE portion of the potential buyer pool.  values get hammered.   (PS i am not the mike ford that commented above).</p>
<p>if anyone of you can add to the effort to stop  these guys being posted up into our &#8216;hood please do offer</p>
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		By: Baggins		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2020 20:13:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://appraisersblogs.com/how-does-sex-offenders-presence-affect-appraised-value/#comment-30941&quot;&gt;Mike Ford, American Guild of Appraisers (AGA™)&lt;/a&gt;.

Two issues conflated.  An individual on the registry vs a half way house with many individuals on the registry.  You don&#039;t adjust for it either way.  If there is market response then you&#039;ll see something.  When disruptive person(s) moves in, the money moves out.  That&#039;s a constant in real property markets.  There is no need to even define disruptive persons.  It is an individuals subjective perception.  Could be different this or that, spoiled rotten silver spooner, felons to junk yard dawgs.  It does not matter, if there are negative influences someone will cut and run, the market evidence will be there.  Or it won&#039;t.  Disclose.  Disclaim.  That&#039;s the end of it.  If there is a community response, there will be a prohibition or statue dealing with whatever issue is on the table.  Some communities make it more difficult to carry the past into the future and vice versa.  The market evidence is presumably already constant and present in real time figures.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a target="_blank" href="https://appraisersblogs.com/how-does-sex-offenders-presence-affect-appraised-value/#comment-30941">Mike Ford, American Guild of Appraisers (AGA™)</a>.</p>
<p>Two issues conflated.  An individual on the registry vs a half way house with many individuals on the registry.  You don&#8217;t adjust for it either way.  If there is market response then you&#8217;ll see something.  When disruptive person(s) moves in, the money moves out.  That&#8217;s a constant in real property markets.  There is no need to even define disruptive persons.  It is an individuals subjective perception.  Could be different this or that, spoiled rotten silver spooner, felons to junk yard dawgs.  It does not matter, if there are negative influences someone will cut and run, the market evidence will be there.  Or it won&#8217;t.  Disclose.  Disclaim.  That&#8217;s the end of it.  If there is a community response, there will be a prohibition or statue dealing with whatever issue is on the table.  Some communities make it more difficult to carry the past into the future and vice versa.  The market evidence is presumably already constant and present in real time figures.</p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2020 19:59:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Can of worms.  For states that track this there is also a constant proportion of such registered individuals whos exact whereabouts are unknown, or only loosely verified.  On the registry pages there are clear disclosures you can not discriminate against them, simply because they may appear on the registry list.  Unless you also have a specialty in interpreting exact statutes to understand the level of the offense which landed them there...  If you go down that avenue you then need to have scaling adjustments for the minor vs major offenders.  Never seen that before and a sure fire way to get complaints filed is to claim a non offenders value is diminished by no fault of their own with no way to remediate the condition.  It&#039;s not the same thing as external obsolescence or something you can call the city regarding code compliance or cleanup.  The city/county has already &#039;managed&#039; the issue.  Read the disclosures on the registry more carefully.  It is up to buyers and agents to research this and then theoretically, assuming everyone has performed their due diligence, the effects on the market are already apparent and there is no need to apply adjustments.  Caveat Emptor.  If in doubt post the registry research link as a standard inclusion with a disclosure disclaimer you are not allowed to discriminate based on the state laws regarding this.  It is an individual buyer or sellers issue, and therefore the appraiser need only post the research link but the responsibility to research and make decisions based on those research results, does not fall on the appraiser.  In my entire county (suburban sf det areas), you can&#039;t go more than 5 or 6 blocks without finding another one.  Then to add more complexity to the issue, each state has different laws and regulations regarding what lands a person on that list or not.  In one state a person can land there for drunkenly whizzing in public on a pine tree, in other states they may actually have to do something really bad to land there.  Know your state laws and the federal anti discrimination rules. I did all that research when I bought our home then don&#039;t you know it, within a few months, some dude on the registry randomly rented across the street, with elevated charges even.  Thankfully he&#039;s gone but only after 5 years.  Should my 30 year mortgage note be effected over the entire term even though this was a temporary condition?  Does it matter if the individual rents or owns?  What if the person on the registry is the borrower/buyer?  Would you adjust the price down and short the non offender seller?  You can&#039;t measure what is unknown, therefore, buyer beware.  Disclose, disclaim, move along.  The appraisers don&#039;t set the market, we merely measure it.  Do not adjust for this issue. 

https://apps.colorado.gov/apps/dps/sor/faq.jsf]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can of worms.  For states that track this there is also a constant proportion of such registered individuals whos exact whereabouts are unknown, or only loosely verified.  On the registry pages there are clear disclosures you can not discriminate against them, simply because they may appear on the registry list.  Unless you also have a specialty in interpreting exact statutes to understand the level of the offense which landed them there&#8230;  If you go down that avenue you then need to have scaling adjustments for the minor vs major offenders.  Never seen that before and a sure fire way to get complaints filed is to claim a non offenders value is diminished by no fault of their own with no way to remediate the condition.  It&#8217;s not the same thing as external obsolescence or something you can call the city regarding code compliance or cleanup.  The city/county has already &#8216;managed&#8217; the issue.  Read the disclosures on the registry more carefully.  It is up to buyers and agents to research this and then theoretically, assuming everyone has performed their due diligence, the effects on the market are already apparent and there is no need to apply adjustments.  Caveat Emptor.  If in doubt post the registry research link as a standard inclusion with a disclosure disclaimer you are not allowed to discriminate based on the state laws regarding this.  It is an individual buyer or sellers issue, and therefore the appraiser need only post the research link but the responsibility to research and make decisions based on those research results, does not fall on the appraiser.  In my entire county (suburban sf det areas), you can&#8217;t go more than 5 or 6 blocks without finding another one.  Then to add more complexity to the issue, each state has different laws and regulations regarding what lands a person on that list or not.  In one state a person can land there for drunkenly whizzing in public on a pine tree, in other states they may actually have to do something really bad to land there.  Know your state laws and the federal anti discrimination rules. I did all that research when I bought our home then don&#8217;t you know it, within a few months, some dude on the registry randomly rented across the street, with elevated charges even.  Thankfully he&#8217;s gone but only after 5 years.  Should my 30 year mortgage note be effected over the entire term even though this was a temporary condition?  Does it matter if the individual rents or owns?  What if the person on the registry is the borrower/buyer?  Would you adjust the price down and short the non offender seller?  You can&#8217;t measure what is unknown, therefore, buyer beware.  Disclose, disclaim, move along.  The appraisers don&#8217;t set the market, we merely measure it.  Do not adjust for this issue. </p>
<p><a target="_blank" href="https://apps.colorado.gov/apps/dps/sor/faq.jsf" rel="nofollow ugc">https://apps.colorado.gov/apps/dps/sor/faq.jsf</a></p>
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		By: Mike Ford, American Guild of Appraisers (AGA™)		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Ford, American Guild of Appraisers (AGA™)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2020 20:38:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://appraisersblogs.com/how-does-sex-offenders-presence-affect-appraised-value/#comment-30939&quot;&gt;Scott T Baczkiewicz&lt;/a&gt;.

Different than prison proximity I think. Prisoners aren&#039;t allowed to roam the community. Drug rehab can be a factor too, though again recovering addicts or alcoholics don&#039;t trend toward molestation of kids. The one instance where I  was able to measure impact was an above-average economic area.

MOST neighborhoods have registered offenders. Or are in proximity. I think having a few isolated instances is less risky than a house with 6 to 10 may be. It also may be limited to subjective market perception.

The article makes some valid points. We need to be aware of the potential impact. Not that it will apply in all instances.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a target="_blank" href="https://appraisersblogs.com/how-does-sex-offenders-presence-affect-appraised-value/#comment-30939">Scott T Baczkiewicz</a>.</p>
<p>Different than prison proximity I think. Prisoners aren&#8217;t allowed to roam the community. Drug rehab can be a factor too, though again recovering addicts or alcoholics don&#8217;t trend toward molestation of kids. The one instance where I  was able to measure impact was an above-average economic area.</p>
<p>MOST neighborhoods have registered offenders. Or are in proximity. I think having a few isolated instances is less risky than a house with 6 to 10 may be. It also may be limited to subjective market perception.</p>
<p>The article makes some valid points. We need to be aware of the potential impact. Not that it will apply in all instances.</p>
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		By: Scott T Baczkiewicz		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Scott T Baczkiewicz]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2020 21:32:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://appraisersblogs.com/how-does-sex-offenders-presence-affect-appraised-value/#comment-30936&quot;&gt;Mike Ford, American Guild of Appraisers (AGA™)&lt;/a&gt;.

Maybe the halfway house is something to consider, possibly like being close to a prison? Aren&#039;t there halfway houses for drug offenders also? You mention LA, I have to say I am completely unfamiliar. Is it possible that these halfway houses where ever they may be are located in areas that already have values affected and that is why they chose to locate there? Chicken/Egg?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a target="_blank" href="https://appraisersblogs.com/how-does-sex-offenders-presence-affect-appraised-value/#comment-30936">Mike Ford, American Guild of Appraisers (AGA™)</a>.</p>
<p>Maybe the halfway house is something to consider, possibly like being close to a prison? Aren&#8217;t there halfway houses for drug offenders also? You mention LA, I have to say I am completely unfamiliar. Is it possible that these halfway houses where ever they may be are located in areas that already have values affected and that is why they chose to locate there? Chicken/Egg?</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[don]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2020 21:18:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://appraisersblogs.com/how-does-sex-offenders-presence-affect-appraised-value/#comment-30932&quot;&gt;Mag Jones&lt;/a&gt;.

In California Agents are required to report grizzly deaths within 3? years of occurrence.  Appraisers know this and so does everybody else.  This research is much more tedious and revealing.
I lived in a low density area and we were able to burn the tumble weeds during the season with an annual fire permit.  I alerted the FD and got my shovel and hose and began burning.  Shortly thereafter the BIG RED TRUCK arrived with a full contingent of firemen.  They said, when they saw the smoke they couldn&#039;t tell which house was burning, they worried because one house on the block had an identified FIREBUG!
Whoda thunk,  these records are based on POLICE  &#038; Fire records and inconvenient.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a target="_blank" href="https://appraisersblogs.com/how-does-sex-offenders-presence-affect-appraised-value/#comment-30932">Mag Jones</a>.</p>
<p>In California Agents are required to report grizzly deaths within 3? years of occurrence.  Appraisers know this and so does everybody else.  This research is much more tedious and revealing.<br />
I lived in a low density area and we were able to burn the tumble weeds during the season with an annual fire permit.  I alerted the FD and got my shovel and hose and began burning.  Shortly thereafter the BIG RED TRUCK arrived with a full contingent of firemen.  They said, when they saw the smoke they couldn&#8217;t tell which house was burning, they worried because one house on the block had an identified FIREBUG!<br />
Whoda thunk,  these records are based on POLICE  &amp; Fire records and inconvenient.</p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2020 21:01:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Great article and information. A good reminder to all.

I have had only TWO properties in which proximity to a registered sex offender halfway house definitively affected value (two neighboring properties at two different times-just an odd coincidence where the agent on the first one happened to own the second one).

Interestingly, there were also more than 11 other individual registered offenders within a one-mile radius (Los Angeles) where it doesn&#039;t appear that values were affected.

This was one of the diciest appraisals I had done in a very long time (a few years ago). Quite lot of back and forth between the lender and I. THEY didn&#039;t want it even mentioned.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article and information. A good reminder to all.</p>
<p>I have had only TWO properties in which proximity to a registered sex offender halfway house definitively affected value (two neighboring properties at two different times-just an odd coincidence where the agent on the first one happened to own the second one).</p>
<p>Interestingly, there were also more than 11 other individual registered offenders within a one-mile radius (Los Angeles) where it doesn&#8217;t appear that values were affected.</p>
<p>This was one of the diciest appraisals I had done in a very long time (a few years ago). Quite lot of back and forth between the lender and I. THEY didn&#8217;t want it even mentioned.</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t know what the map of the sex offenders looks like in your area, but in my area, they are everywhere. I live in a very suburban/rural community also.  There is no possible way that the effects can be &quot;beyond question&quot;, otherwise, a high percentage of homes would be impacted and if it was a major influence on the value then almost every buyer would be aware, and a high percent of appraisals would be mentioning them. Your example of being located 2 blocks away. If you are using the term blocks then I assume the property is located in a highly-populated area, then wouldn&#039;t most of the comparables also be located within similar proximity to the halfway house? At what point does our research stop and responsibility fall on the buyer?  I think the sex offender registry falls under the category of not within our scope of work, similar to appraisers not doing home inspections, taking water and air samples or any other number of factors that are beyond appraisal work.  In all my years of speaking with agents, I have never once heard &quot;That house sold for less because there were sex offenders on the registry in the area.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know what the map of the sex offenders looks like in your area, but in my area, they are everywhere. I live in a very suburban/rural community also.  There is no possible way that the effects can be &#8220;beyond question&#8221;, otherwise, a high percentage of homes would be impacted and if it was a major influence on the value then almost every buyer would be aware, and a high percent of appraisals would be mentioning them. Your example of being located 2 blocks away. If you are using the term blocks then I assume the property is located in a highly-populated area, then wouldn&#8217;t most of the comparables also be located within similar proximity to the halfway house? At what point does our research stop and responsibility fall on the buyer?  I think the sex offender registry falls under the category of not within our scope of work, similar to appraisers not doing home inspections, taking water and air samples or any other number of factors that are beyond appraisal work.  In all my years of speaking with agents, I have never once heard &#8220;That house sold for less because there were sex offenders on the registry in the area.&#8221;</p>
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		By: Michael jones		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2020 18:02:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Mag said it very nicely.  Not going there.  Neither are any appraisal boards!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mag said it very nicely.  Not going there.  Neither are any appraisal boards!</p>
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		By: Mag Jones		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2020 14:51:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[So, valuation research is now beholden to &quot;university-level studies&quot;.  I assume these studies were done by trained, certified appraisers and not university researchers with agendas? And these university researchers are licensed by the state and held accountable to be unbiased in their research opinions? No? They&#039;re not? Wait - I thought it was &quot;beyond question&quot; (a term liberal academics use when they don&#039;t want to hear a dissenting opinion).  Well, I guess I&#039;ll have to go back to that old-fashioned way to determine the validity of a valuation opinion- the actual market data in the local market. There are a thousand things that are &quot;public record&quot; that we could pick out and decide they might affect our property. The question is how many rabbit holes we want to go down. Perhaps if the state comes calling asking about the verification of this data it can also ask itself what all my local appraisal PEERS would do in a similar situation - which, according to USPAP, is the judge of whether my actions are reasonable, not whether I&#039;m keeping up with obscure university social-science journals.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, valuation research is now beholden to &#8220;university-level studies&#8221;.  I assume these studies were done by trained, certified appraisers and not university researchers with agendas? And these university researchers are licensed by the state and held accountable to be unbiased in their research opinions? No? They&#8217;re not? Wait &#8211; I thought it was &#8220;beyond question&#8221; (a term liberal academics use when they don&#8217;t want to hear a dissenting opinion).  Well, I guess I&#8217;ll have to go back to that old-fashioned way to determine the validity of a valuation opinion- the actual market data in the local market. There are a thousand things that are &#8220;public record&#8221; that we could pick out and decide they might affect our property. The question is how many rabbit holes we want to go down. Perhaps if the state comes calling asking about the verification of this data it can also ask itself what all my local appraisal PEERS would do in a similar situation &#8211; which, according to USPAP, is the judge of whether my actions are reasonable, not whether I&#8217;m keeping up with obscure university social-science journals.</p>
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