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		By: Baggins		</title>
		<link>https://appraisersblogs.com/census-tract-info-being-used-against-appraisers/#comment-34518</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Baggins]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 May 2022 17:22:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://appraisersblogs.com/census-tract-info-being-used-against-appraisers/#comment-34515&quot;&gt;Pat Turner&lt;/a&gt;.

Tech people and lenders rely on this.  For the vast majority of appraisers, census tract data is just an automated item we do not pay attention to.  Census tract data has no relevance.  Even if there is some correlation with census tract and different neighborhood values or different neighborhood characteristics, appraisers are never aware of this.  Because the software automatically imports census data into our report for the subject, then does not provide any information on census tract data for our selected comps.  So if we&#039;re in a different census tract or cross mixing these areas, we never know if that&#039;s happening anyways.  Appraisers focus on similar markets for a variety of characteristics.  We do not care what federal occupation zone zip code or what census tract they may or may not be present in.  If we compare locally, there is no reason to care either, because developing appraisal values with sensible valuation theory is as simple as comparing locally.  Additionally in the modern days and preceding decades, appraisers have not contributed to defining where census tracts end or begin, that&#039;s someone elses department somewhere in government.  Appraisers are tasked with market value analysis, not census tract analysis.  

https://help.alamode.com/appraiser/total/default.htm#!locationmapsettings.htm
From the above Alamode appraisal software solicitation page:
Get FEMA, census, and USPS information — Automatically inserts flood, census tract and USPS standardization into your reports.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a target="_blank" href="https://appraisersblogs.com/census-tract-info-being-used-against-appraisers/#comment-34515">Pat Turner</a>.</p>
<p>Tech people and lenders rely on this.  For the vast majority of appraisers, census tract data is just an automated item we do not pay attention to.  Census tract data has no relevance.  Even if there is some correlation with census tract and different neighborhood values or different neighborhood characteristics, appraisers are never aware of this.  Because the software automatically imports census data into our report for the subject, then does not provide any information on census tract data for our selected comps.  So if we&#8217;re in a different census tract or cross mixing these areas, we never know if that&#8217;s happening anyways.  Appraisers focus on similar markets for a variety of characteristics.  We do not care what federal occupation zone zip code or what census tract they may or may not be present in.  If we compare locally, there is no reason to care either, because developing appraisal values with sensible valuation theory is as simple as comparing locally.  Additionally in the modern days and preceding decades, appraisers have not contributed to defining where census tracts end or begin, that&#8217;s someone elses department somewhere in government.  Appraisers are tasked with market value analysis, not census tract analysis.  </p>
<p><a target="_blank" href="https://help.alamode.com/appraiser/total/default.htm#!locationmapsettings.htm" rel="nofollow ugc">https://help.alamode.com/appraiser/total/default.htm#!locationmapsettings.htm</a><br />
From the above Alamode appraisal software solicitation page:<br />
Get FEMA, census, and USPS information — Automatically inserts flood, census tract and USPS standardization into your reports.</p>
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		By: Pat Turner		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 03 May 2022 00:19:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Dave
Well done as always!
Hmmmmmm….Redlining?
Census tracts?  AVMs?  Desktop appraisals?
AMCs ?  Appraisers?
Which entity relies most on census tracts?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave<br />
Well done as always!<br />
Hmmmmmm….Redlining?<br />
Census tracts?  AVMs?  Desktop appraisals?<br />
AMCs ?  Appraisers?<br />
Which entity relies most on census tracts?</p>
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		By: Caterina M Platt		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 02 May 2022 22:48:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I wholeheartedly agree with Realist.  

We know why this is going on and we know who is driving it.  The best defensive attack in this case is going on a counter offensive attack at the real culprits - politicians and activists who keep this topic stirred up and alive purely for their own job security.

Appraisers do not consider race as a basis of ANY aspect in our valuation process.  I wouldn&#039;t even know how to begin to filter for such even if I wanted to, which I clearly don&#039;t. 

The government bean counters and think tanks like the Brookings Institute keep this stirred up and alive to insure they have agencies and jobs going forward.  What a piss poor thing to do with our tax dollars - instigate.  Maybe it&#039;s time we appraisers acted in the role of tax payers and citizens.  Creating rifts where they don&#039;t exist between different groups of citizens and wasting our funds is both evil and poor fiduciary policy.   

I say we need to fire these public officials intent on being dividers and instigators.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wholeheartedly agree with Realist.  </p>
<p>We know why this is going on and we know who is driving it.  The best defensive attack in this case is going on a counter offensive attack at the real culprits &#8211; politicians and activists who keep this topic stirred up and alive purely for their own job security.</p>
<p>Appraisers do not consider race as a basis of ANY aspect in our valuation process.  I wouldn&#8217;t even know how to begin to filter for such even if I wanted to, which I clearly don&#8217;t. </p>
<p>The government bean counters and think tanks like the Brookings Institute keep this stirred up and alive to insure they have agencies and jobs going forward.  What a piss poor thing to do with our tax dollars &#8211; instigate.  Maybe it&#8217;s time we appraisers acted in the role of tax payers and citizens.  Creating rifts where they don&#8217;t exist between different groups of citizens and wasting our funds is both evil and poor fiduciary policy.   </p>
<p>I say we need to fire these public officials intent on being dividers and instigators.</p>
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		By: BA		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 02 May 2022 22:12:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[GOOD GOD I am so far behind evidently. Can someone tell me how any Appraiser can use or perform Racial Bias in appraising?  How about WHY? I have no idea of who owns the comparable or WHAT RACE OR SEX They are. AND I DO NOT CARE EITHER.  I cannot find a way to alter facts that are clearly available to ANYONE searching the DATA. Really WHY WOULD ANY OF US RISK our licenses to keep any area down or lower in values....WHY? THIS is 2022. We do not choose where people want to live , how much payment they can afford, what sex they are or what RACE anyone is. We do not take a loan app and have no interest in risk or rates for any individual or any of that lender required factor information like LTI, LTV, VOI,VOD, ratios or any of that!! WE simply value the property with supporting data. That&#039;s IT.
What really needs to be addressed here is HOW BANKS/LENDERS HAVE HISTORICALLY chosen to act in biased ways against, LOWER INCOME INDIVIDUALS, WOMAN, RACE, AGE and the other protected Classes!! WHY do these people think there are protected classes in the first place? RED LINING, no credit for woman until the 70&#039;s !! No consideration of a womans income for woman of child bearing age!! AND SO MUCH MORE!! EVEN don&#039;t ask don&#039;t tell came from the GOVERNMENT not the public. Certainly not any APPRAISER cause we don&#039;t need that information to do our jobs!
The banks/lenders set acceptable comparable distances with 0.5 mile radius of urban, 1 mile Suburban and 5 Rural most often preferred . They also set age, bracketing styles and a lot of other of their &quot;preferred requirements&quot; that they PFA that many times have nothing to do with market data.
So how is it the Appraiser is biased or manipulating values? I don&#039;t know how this is even possible.
ALL THIS IS... IS Another effort to wipe us out, so they CAN be free of an outside person who inspects, reports and supports the REAL value with DATA and no other factors or biases present or considered!  IMO]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GOOD GOD I am so far behind evidently. Can someone tell me how any Appraiser can use or perform Racial Bias in appraising?  How about WHY? I have no idea of who owns the comparable or WHAT RACE OR SEX They are. AND I DO NOT CARE EITHER.  I cannot find a way to alter facts that are clearly available to ANYONE searching the DATA. Really WHY WOULD ANY OF US RISK our licenses to keep any area down or lower in values&#8230;.WHY? THIS is 2022. We do not choose where people want to live , how much payment they can afford, what sex they are or what RACE anyone is. We do not take a loan app and have no interest in risk or rates for any individual or any of that lender required factor information like LTI, LTV, VOI,VOD, ratios or any of that!! WE simply value the property with supporting data. That&#8217;s IT.<br />
What really needs to be addressed here is HOW BANKS/LENDERS HAVE HISTORICALLY chosen to act in biased ways against, LOWER INCOME INDIVIDUALS, WOMAN, RACE, AGE and the other protected Classes!! WHY do these people think there are protected classes in the first place? RED LINING, no credit for woman until the 70&#8217;s !! No consideration of a womans income for woman of child bearing age!! AND SO MUCH MORE!! EVEN don&#8217;t ask don&#8217;t tell came from the GOVERNMENT not the public. Certainly not any APPRAISER cause we don&#8217;t need that information to do our jobs!<br />
The banks/lenders set acceptable comparable distances with 0.5 mile radius of urban, 1 mile Suburban and 5 Rural most often preferred . They also set age, bracketing styles and a lot of other of their &#8220;preferred requirements&#8221; that they PFA that many times have nothing to do with market data.<br />
So how is it the Appraiser is biased or manipulating values? I don&#8217;t know how this is even possible.<br />
ALL THIS IS&#8230; IS Another effort to wipe us out, so they CAN be free of an outside person who inspects, reports and supports the REAL value with DATA and no other factors or biases present or considered!  IMO</p>
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		By: Realist		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 02 May 2022 15:45:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Maybe appraisers should go much more on the offensive.  Whenever there is an attack on appraisers in print or court case, the first things that should be heavily documented, clarified and established in court is their: education with respect to the real estate/appraisal matter at hand; real world experience; political biases; mentors; manuscripts of speeches, teachings, etc; articles/books written; and on and on.   Ultimately, do they have any realistic credibility - or just misplaced zeal without adequate knowledge.  Do they have hidden goals/agendas.  Going on the offense , however, is difficult for appraisers because we do not have: the bully pulpit that the accusers do; the size, organized effort or political clout; the press that is so willingly on board with almost anything left and without the ability to conduct true investigations; nor do appraisers have the gobs of money to fight against their mistruths and false accusations that the left has to fight us with.   

So often with the left, they take positions before all the facts are discovered.  Then even when the facts are known and are proven to be wrong, they do not acknowledge their error(s) nor apologize.  They carry on as if the crime was committed even though no crime was committed.  In many cases they make up crimes with the hopes that real crimes will be discovered during the non-constitutional and illegal investigations.  They do not care how many innocent people are destroyed in the process.   They do, however, understand their lazy constituency that believe any ____ they spew without question and without any study/research to test the validity of the accusations.   

Unfortunately,  They will get away with their agenda for a while.  Good luck convincing the final judge of your &quot;noble&quot; endeavors in the most important courtroom drama in your existence.

Why don&#039;t these accusatory geniuses go after potential insider trading by members of congress.  It is amazing how wealthy many politicians get while in office.  Or why congress sets up lousy health care laws for small business that they are exempt from and instead have cushy perks.  Or crony capitalism.  But then they might be going after their own sizable funding sources by which to destroy small business!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe appraisers should go much more on the offensive.  Whenever there is an attack on appraisers in print or court case, the first things that should be heavily documented, clarified and established in court is their: education with respect to the real estate/appraisal matter at hand; real world experience; political biases; mentors; manuscripts of speeches, teachings, etc; articles/books written; and on and on.   Ultimately, do they have any realistic credibility &#8211; or just misplaced zeal without adequate knowledge.  Do they have hidden goals/agendas.  Going on the offense , however, is difficult for appraisers because we do not have: the bully pulpit that the accusers do; the size, organized effort or political clout; the press that is so willingly on board with almost anything left and without the ability to conduct true investigations; nor do appraisers have the gobs of money to fight against their mistruths and false accusations that the left has to fight us with.   </p>
<p>So often with the left, they take positions before all the facts are discovered.  Then even when the facts are known and are proven to be wrong, they do not acknowledge their error(s) nor apologize.  They carry on as if the crime was committed even though no crime was committed.  In many cases they make up crimes with the hopes that real crimes will be discovered during the non-constitutional and illegal investigations.  They do not care how many innocent people are destroyed in the process.   They do, however, understand their lazy constituency that believe any ____ they spew without question and without any study/research to test the validity of the accusations.   </p>
<p>Unfortunately,  They will get away with their agenda for a while.  Good luck convincing the final judge of your &#8220;noble&#8221; endeavors in the most important courtroom drama in your existence.</p>
<p>Why don&#8217;t these accusatory geniuses go after potential insider trading by members of congress.  It is amazing how wealthy many politicians get while in office.  Or why congress sets up lousy health care laws for small business that they are exempt from and instead have cushy perks.  Or crony capitalism.  But then they might be going after their own sizable funding sources by which to destroy small business!</p>
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