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		By: Mike Ford		</title>
		<link>https://appraisersblogs.com/bank-profits-elimate-appraisers/#comment-13163</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Ford]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2016 04:51:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Excellent advice Tom!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent advice Tom!</p>
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		By: Tom D		</title>
		<link>https://appraisersblogs.com/bank-profits-elimate-appraisers/#comment-13162</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom D]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2016 00:33:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[also look at buildingJournal.com for a simple cost approach.  good to have another easy backup of your cost approach.  both slightly different so you can have some room to play.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>also look at buildingJournal.com for a simple cost approach.  good to have another easy backup of your cost approach.  both slightly different so you can have some room to play.</p>
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		By: Mike Ford, CA AG; AGA, GAA, RAA		</title>
		<link>https://appraisersblogs.com/bank-profits-elimate-appraisers/#comment-13161</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Ford, CA AG; AGA, GAA, RAA]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2016 00:25:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://appraisersblogs.com/bank-profits-elimate-appraisers/#comment-12914&quot;&gt;Christine&lt;/a&gt;.

True. For what its worth I stopped using M&#038;S LONG ago. www.building-cost.net is free; and my hard copy Craftsman National Building Cost Manual doesn&#039;t require an ongoing subscription for its updates. The Building-cost.net can even be printed for a hard copy work file record or saved as a pdf.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a target="_blank" href="https://appraisersblogs.com/bank-profits-elimate-appraisers/#comment-12914">Christine</a>.</p>
<p>True. For what its worth I stopped using M&amp;S LONG ago. <a target="_blank" href="http://www.building-cost.net" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.building-cost.net</a> is free; and my hard copy Craftsman National Building Cost Manual doesn&#8217;t require an ongoing subscription for its updates. The Building-cost.net can even be printed for a hard copy work file record or saved as a pdf.</p>
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		By: Bubba Jay / Retired Appraiser II		</title>
		<link>https://appraisersblogs.com/bank-profits-elimate-appraisers/#comment-12918</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bubba Jay / Retired Appraiser II]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jan 2016 22:54:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[i remember decades ago when it felt good to start the day off with an appraisal or two.

with all the garbage going on nowadays, appraisers have to be feeling more like they are starting off their day off by brushing their teeth with dog crap flavored toothpaste.

the bleeding continues . . . . .]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i remember decades ago when it felt good to start the day off with an appraisal or two.</p>
<p>with all the garbage going on nowadays, appraisers have to be feeling more like they are starting off their day off by brushing their teeth with dog crap flavored toothpaste.</p>
<p>the bleeding continues . . . . .</p>
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		By: Retired Appraiser		</title>
		<link>https://appraisersblogs.com/bank-profits-elimate-appraisers/#comment-12915</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Retired Appraiser]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2016 13:53:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://appraisersblogs.com/bank-profits-elimate-appraisers/#comment-12909&quot;&gt;Ross Grannan on Facebook&lt;/a&gt;.

Wait until Hillary Clinton wins office and Andrew Cuomo appears as her Vice President.  I think appraisers are fully aware of who BANKrolled Mr. Cuomo&#039;s current position in New York (yes there was a hint in there).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a target="_blank" href="https://appraisersblogs.com/bank-profits-elimate-appraisers/#comment-12909">Ross Grannan on Facebook</a>.</p>
<p>Wait until Hillary Clinton wins office and Andrew Cuomo appears as her Vice President.  I think appraisers are fully aware of who BANKrolled Mr. Cuomo&#8217;s current position in New York (yes there was a hint in there).</p>
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		By: Christine		</title>
		<link>https://appraisersblogs.com/bank-profits-elimate-appraisers/#comment-12914</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2016 01:45:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[And why is no one stopping Corelogic from buying up AMCs, in addition to already owning a large share of MLS systems and Marshall and Swift. It&#039;s unbelievable really.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And why is no one stopping Corelogic from buying up AMCs, in addition to already owning a large share of MLS systems and Marshall and Swift. It&#8217;s unbelievable really.</p>
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		By: Mike Ford, CA AG: AGA, GAA, RAA		</title>
		<link>https://appraisersblogs.com/bank-profits-elimate-appraisers/#comment-12913</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Ford, CA AG: AGA, GAA, RAA]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2016 23:25:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In 1992+- representatives of LSI (long before they became completely useless as an AMC) visited us in California to discuss some way to involve automation (as in AVMs) to eliminate appraisals. When I pointed out that they had JUST THANKED me for saving them from a $1/4 of a million dollars over valuation as a result of pressure from one of their very influential customers; and that very same issue had arisen from that customers misapplication of data AND their potential misinterpretation of that data-they understood the connection. A KNOWEDGEABLE human appraiser was required to resolve the difference. It was my opinion then that no technology could ever adequately replace the ARTFUL application of SOME scientific techniques as well as experienced use and application of the best computer ever built...the human brain.

Sometimes my brain literally leaps to the &quot;right&quot; conclusions without me even being aware of the process. It takes short cuts. Now, in fairness, we all agree that we cannot rely on our personal experiences alone to achieve proper appraisal results. We temper and quite frankly usually suppress our &quot;personal PCs&quot; results in favor of more traditional techniques that are becoming more and more cumbersome as time goes on. The more that academia gets involved in appraisal analyses and critiques, the further away we seem to get from reliable products (UAD &#038; 1004MC comes to mind).

We listen to self serving morons promoting the &#039;era of big data&#039; and how wonderful computer science &#038; technology have become. &quot;Why there is virtually NOTHING they cannot do!&quot; Or, so go the claims. Yet with all this high powered computer ability and giant databases economists still cannot accurately predict stock markets; or even what the GDP, or inflation rate or unemployment rates will be more than a 1/4 in advance.

Why would we believe these same folks can accurately analyze the often subjective motives of real buyers reactions to specific pieces of real estate in terms of price and marketability?

&#039;They&#039; have attempted to replace the &#039;art&#039; and experience based part of our profession with the arbitrarily purely analytical side. Analyses that fall abysmally short of even being real science since they modify or make so many assumptions to support their conclusions that the results are meaningless.

Zestimate used to publish disclaimers about how limited their product was. Most similar services don&#039;t even do that. Most users wouldn&#039;t understand the explanations anyway...they are not trained appraisers.

Despite most states prohibiting the use of the terms &quot;appraisal&quot; or &quot;valuation&quot; by anyone other than appraisers, it seems that these internet wizards keep getting a pass for their products. It does serious harm to Americans and the general public by offering services that are so easily confused with meaningful USPAP compliant appraisals which have been determined to be the &quot;minimum acceptable standards&quot; for federally regulated transactions.

Why would anyone be so willing to accept something that does not meet MINIMUM standards?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In 1992+- representatives of LSI (long before they became completely useless as an AMC) visited us in California to discuss some way to involve automation (as in AVMs) to eliminate appraisals. When I pointed out that they had JUST THANKED me for saving them from a $1/4 of a million dollars over valuation as a result of pressure from one of their very influential customers; and that very same issue had arisen from that customers misapplication of data AND their potential misinterpretation of that data-they understood the connection. A KNOWEDGEABLE human appraiser was required to resolve the difference. It was my opinion then that no technology could ever adequately replace the ARTFUL application of SOME scientific techniques as well as experienced use and application of the best computer ever built&#8230;the human brain.</p>
<p>Sometimes my brain literally leaps to the &#8220;right&#8221; conclusions without me even being aware of the process. It takes short cuts. Now, in fairness, we all agree that we cannot rely on our personal experiences alone to achieve proper appraisal results. We temper and quite frankly usually suppress our &#8220;personal PCs&#8221; results in favor of more traditional techniques that are becoming more and more cumbersome as time goes on. The more that academia gets involved in appraisal analyses and critiques, the further away we seem to get from reliable products (UAD &amp; 1004MC comes to mind).</p>
<p>We listen to self serving morons promoting the &#8216;era of big data&#8217; and how wonderful computer science &amp; technology have become. &#8220;Why there is virtually NOTHING they cannot do!&#8221; Or, so go the claims. Yet with all this high powered computer ability and giant databases economists still cannot accurately predict stock markets; or even what the GDP, or inflation rate or unemployment rates will be more than a 1/4 in advance.</p>
<p>Why would we believe these same folks can accurately analyze the often subjective motives of real buyers reactions to specific pieces of real estate in terms of price and marketability?</p>
<p>&#8216;They&#8217; have attempted to replace the &#8216;art&#8217; and experience based part of our profession with the arbitrarily purely analytical side. Analyses that fall abysmally short of even being real science since they modify or make so many assumptions to support their conclusions that the results are meaningless.</p>
<p>Zestimate used to publish disclaimers about how limited their product was. Most similar services don&#8217;t even do that. Most users wouldn&#8217;t understand the explanations anyway&#8230;they are not trained appraisers.</p>
<p>Despite most states prohibiting the use of the terms &#8220;appraisal&#8221; or &#8220;valuation&#8221; by anyone other than appraisers, it seems that these internet wizards keep getting a pass for their products. It does serious harm to Americans and the general public by offering services that are so easily confused with meaningful USPAP compliant appraisals which have been determined to be the &#8220;minimum acceptable standards&#8221; for federally regulated transactions.</p>
<p>Why would anyone be so willing to accept something that does not meet MINIMUM standards?</p>
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		By: Bob Miller		</title>
		<link>https://appraisersblogs.com/bank-profits-elimate-appraisers/#comment-12912</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob Miller]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2016 22:47:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Zillow has no business projecting property values unseen.

As an appraiser, one of the first thing I was taught; if you make a statement, written or oral of a specific properties value, you have done an appraisal and had best be able to back it up. This is just another example of the lending institutions, cutting corners to increase their profit.

None of these &quot;helpful&quot; companies are beneficial to the public or lending institutions. They only muddy the waters and create a false impression for the public and the banks.

An appraisal of a property, can only be accomplished by boots on the ground, we appraisers are the banks eyes and ears. No AVM or other computer generated value, can be considered valid.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zillow has no business projecting property values unseen.</p>
<p>As an appraiser, one of the first thing I was taught; if you make a statement, written or oral of a specific properties value, you have done an appraisal and had best be able to back it up. This is just another example of the lending institutions, cutting corners to increase their profit.</p>
<p>None of these &#8220;helpful&#8221; companies are beneficial to the public or lending institutions. They only muddy the waters and create a false impression for the public and the banks.</p>
<p>An appraisal of a property, can only be accomplished by boots on the ground, we appraisers are the banks eyes and ears. No AVM or other computer generated value, can be considered valid.</p>
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		By: Koma		</title>
		<link>https://appraisersblogs.com/bank-profits-elimate-appraisers/#comment-12911</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Koma]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2016 20:57:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Like I tell the borrower when I&#039;m doing my inspection. Trash in...Trash out... when they mention an on-line AV. I say to them did you look at several sites, they say yeah I&#039;ve seen values range from $150,000 to $240,000 for my property. Well there&#039;s your answer..Trash in...Trash out.. These on-line AV&#039;s don&#039;t have access to the information or the experience I have and they are nothing but junk.

The day loans are given out without an appraiser looking at the property is the day the economy crashes worst then &#039;08.

...the piling on continues...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like I tell the borrower when I&#8217;m doing my inspection. Trash in&#8230;Trash out&#8230; when they mention an on-line AV. I say to them did you look at several sites, they say yeah I&#8217;ve seen values range from $150,000 to $240,000 for my property. Well there&#8217;s your answer..Trash in&#8230;Trash out.. These on-line AV&#8217;s don&#8217;t have access to the information or the experience I have and they are nothing but junk.</p>
<p>The day loans are given out without an appraiser looking at the property is the day the economy crashes worst then &#8217;08.</p>
<p>&#8230;the piling on continues&#8230;</p>
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		By: Tom D		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2016 16:42:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[as soon as they can figure another party to blame for their criminal behavior, sorry, non-criminal cause no bankster ever went to prison, then appraisers will be gone.  then they, for themselves, will make billionaire banksters, with the us totally crashing economically into a 3rd world tribal mess after this final theft.   maybe the 4 horsemen of the apocalypse are the last 4 big banks left.  i&#039;m not a prophet, but where did that thought come from.  have a happy medicated new year reply-ers]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>as soon as they can figure another party to blame for their criminal behavior, sorry, non-criminal cause no bankster ever went to prison, then appraisers will be gone.  then they, for themselves, will make billionaire banksters, with the us totally crashing economically into a 3rd world tribal mess after this final theft.   maybe the 4 horsemen of the apocalypse are the last 4 big banks left.  i&#8217;m not a prophet, but where did that thought come from.  have a happy medicated new year reply-ers</p>
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		By: Ross Grannan on Facebook		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ross Grannan on Facebook]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2016 14:31:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Not changing soon, Hillary, Cruz, Jeb?, Rubio are in the pockets of the big banks]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not changing soon, Hillary, Cruz, Jeb?, Rubio are in the pockets of the big banks</p>
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