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		By: Pat Turner		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pat Turner]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Sep 2024 23:36:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://appraisersblogs.com/appraisal-management-companies-amcs-violating-tila-and-customary-and-reasonable-fee-clauses/#comment-43542&quot;&gt;Mike Ford, AGA™&lt;/a&gt;.

Exactly Mike!!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a target="_blank" href="https://appraisersblogs.com/appraisal-management-companies-amcs-violating-tila-and-customary-and-reasonable-fee-clauses/#comment-43542">Mike Ford, AGA™</a>.</p>
<p>Exactly Mike!!</p>
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		By: Mike Ford, AGA™		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Ford, AGA™]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Sep 2024 20:27:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://appraisersblogs.com/appraisal-management-companies-amcs-violating-tila-and-customary-and-reasonable-fee-clauses/#comment-43441&quot;&gt;Pat Turner&lt;/a&gt;.

Generally yes.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a target="_blank" href="https://appraisersblogs.com/appraisal-management-companies-amcs-violating-tila-and-customary-and-reasonable-fee-clauses/#comment-43441">Pat Turner</a>.</p>
<p>Generally yes.</p>
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		By: Mike Ford, AGA™		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Ford, AGA™]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Sep 2024 20:26:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://appraisersblogs.com/appraisal-management-companies-amcs-violating-tila-and-customary-and-reasonable-fee-clauses/#comment-43440&quot;&gt;Pat Turner&lt;/a&gt;.

Why would you NOT be able to do so? Federal law protects our right to disclose the fee IN our appraisal report.

Federal law also prohibits lenders from telling us HOW or what to write in our reports.

Put a separate text page after TOC or in your transmittal if you want.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a target="_blank" href="https://appraisersblogs.com/appraisal-management-companies-amcs-violating-tila-and-customary-and-reasonable-fee-clauses/#comment-43440">Pat Turner</a>.</p>
<p>Why would you NOT be able to do so? Federal law protects our right to disclose the fee IN our appraisal report.</p>
<p>Federal law also prohibits lenders from telling us HOW or what to write in our reports.</p>
<p>Put a separate text page after TOC or in your transmittal if you want.</p>
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		By: Eric Kennedy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eric Kennedy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Sep 2024 11:40:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://appraisersblogs.com/appraisal-management-companies-amcs-violating-tila-and-customary-and-reasonable-fee-clauses/#comment-43440&quot;&gt;Pat Turner&lt;/a&gt;.

I second this proposal]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a target="_blank" href="https://appraisersblogs.com/appraisal-management-companies-amcs-violating-tila-and-customary-and-reasonable-fee-clauses/#comment-43440">Pat Turner</a>.</p>
<p>I second this proposal</p>
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		By: Donna P Taylor		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Donna P Taylor]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Sep 2024 18:40:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I stopped working with AMCs many years ago.  However, this is an important thing that you are doing.  Please keep us updated.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I stopped working with AMCs many years ago.  However, this is an important thing that you are doing.  Please keep us updated.</p>
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		By: Pat Turner		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pat Turner]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Sep 2024 19:27:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://appraisersblogs.com/appraisal-management-companies-amcs-violating-tila-and-customary-and-reasonable-fee-clauses/#comment-43439&quot;&gt;Mike Ford, AGA™&lt;/a&gt;.

If you’re told to take a formal page out of the report then that’s appraisal direction or violation of appraisal independence??]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a target="_blank" href="https://appraisersblogs.com/appraisal-management-companies-amcs-violating-tila-and-customary-and-reasonable-fee-clauses/#comment-43439">Mike Ford, AGA™</a>.</p>
<p>If you’re told to take a formal page out of the report then that’s appraisal direction or violation of appraisal independence??</p>
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		By: Pat Turner		</title>
		<link>https://appraisersblogs.com/appraisal-management-companies-amcs-violating-tila-and-customary-and-reasonable-fee-clauses/#comment-43440</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pat Turner]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Sep 2024 19:27:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://appraisersblogs.com/appraisal-management-companies-amcs-violating-tila-and-customary-and-reasonable-fee-clauses/#comment-43439&quot;&gt;Mike Ford, AGA™&lt;/a&gt;.

What I am proposing is: Can we make a separate page as part of the report called 

“Disclosure of Appraisal Fee””?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a target="_blank" href="https://appraisersblogs.com/appraisal-management-companies-amcs-violating-tila-and-customary-and-reasonable-fee-clauses/#comment-43439">Mike Ford, AGA™</a>.</p>
<p>What I am proposing is: Can we make a separate page as part of the report called </p>
<p>“Disclosure of Appraisal Fee””?</p>
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		By: Mike Ford, AGA™		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Ford, AGA™]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Sep 2024 17:56:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://appraisersblogs.com/appraisal-management-companies-amcs-violating-tila-and-customary-and-reasonable-fee-clauses/#comment-43279&quot;&gt;Pat&lt;/a&gt;.

I don&#039;t see how Pat.

An invoice is a bill. Its not normally a part of an appraisal. 

NO AMC can prevent us from disclosing what we were paid, in the body of the report (text addendum) or transmittal letter.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a target="_blank" href="https://appraisersblogs.com/appraisal-management-companies-amcs-violating-tila-and-customary-and-reasonable-fee-clauses/#comment-43279">Pat</a>.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see how Pat.</p>
<p>An invoice is a bill. Its not normally a part of an appraisal. </p>
<p>NO AMC can prevent us from disclosing what we were paid, in the body of the report (text addendum) or transmittal letter.</p>
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		By: Eric Kennedy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eric Kennedy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Aug 2024 18:03:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://appraisersblogs.com/appraisal-management-companies-amcs-violating-tila-and-customary-and-reasonable-fee-clauses/#comment-40035&quot;&gt;Spencer Paul&lt;/a&gt;.

Just youtube John Belushi as Bluto]]></description>
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<p>Just youtube John Belushi as Bluto</p>
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		By: Eric Kennedy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eric Kennedy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Aug 2024 17:55:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://appraisersblogs.com/appraisal-management-companies-amcs-violating-tila-and-customary-and-reasonable-fee-clauses/#comment-43279&quot;&gt;Pat&lt;/a&gt;.

IF we had any funds to hire an attorney to fight the case....  I along with a state coalition specifically asked our State Board for this 5-6 years ago.  They punted of course and tabled the decisions which disappeared.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a target="_blank" href="https://appraisersblogs.com/appraisal-management-companies-amcs-violating-tila-and-customary-and-reasonable-fee-clauses/#comment-43279">Pat</a>.</p>
<p>IF we had any funds to hire an attorney to fight the case&#8230;.  I along with a state coalition specifically asked our State Board for this 5-6 years ago.  They punted of course and tabled the decisions which disappeared.</p>
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		By: Pat		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pat]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Aug 2024 16:40:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Might it be illegal for AMCs demanding appraisers not to include invoices?
Especially in states that require fee disclosure?
Could we have been blinded all this time?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Might it be illegal for AMCs demanding appraisers not to include invoices?<br />
Especially in states that require fee disclosure?<br />
Could we have been blinded all this time?</p>
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		By: Mike Ford, AGA		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Ford, AGA]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Aug 2024 14:59:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://appraisersblogs.com/appraisal-management-companies-amcs-violating-tila-and-customary-and-reasonable-fee-clauses/#comment-40071&quot;&gt;Dave&lt;/a&gt;.

MY last remark was threatening???

Are you smoking crack?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a target="_blank" href="https://appraisersblogs.com/appraisal-management-companies-amcs-violating-tila-and-customary-and-reasonable-fee-clauses/#comment-40071">Dave</a>.</p>
<p>MY last remark was threatening???</p>
<p>Are you smoking crack?</p>
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		By: Pat		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pat]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Aug 2024 00:05:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://appraisersblogs.com/appraisal-management-companies-amcs-violating-tila-and-customary-and-reasonable-fee-clauses/#comment-43252&quot;&gt;Maria&lt;/a&gt;.

YES WE DO 
We are doing great!!
Need all the help we can still collect 
The more the better 
Thanks!!]]></description>
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<p>YES WE DO<br />
We are doing great!!<br />
Need all the help we can still collect<br />
The more the better<br />
Thanks!!</p>
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		By: Frustrated Appraiser		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Frustrated Appraiser]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Aug 2024 23:43:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://appraisersblogs.com/appraisal-management-companies-amcs-violating-tila-and-customary-and-reasonable-fee-clauses/#comment-40046&quot;&gt;Rick Daniel&lt;/a&gt;.

But you are using common sense- none of these agencies have that ability!!]]></description>
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<p>But you are using common sense- none of these agencies have that ability!!</p>
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		By: Frustrated Appraiser		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Frustrated Appraiser]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Aug 2024 23:42:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://appraisersblogs.com/appraisal-management-companies-amcs-violating-tila-and-customary-and-reasonable-fee-clauses/#comment-40022&quot;&gt;Spencer Paul&lt;/a&gt;.

No.  Any necessary info is redacted prior to submitting it to the appropriate agencies and it is going to a governmntal agency-so that gives you an out as well.  Nothing to be concerned about.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a target="_blank" href="https://appraisersblogs.com/appraisal-management-companies-amcs-violating-tila-and-customary-and-reasonable-fee-clauses/#comment-40022">Spencer Paul</a>.</p>
<p>No.  Any necessary info is redacted prior to submitting it to the appropriate agencies and it is going to a governmntal agency-so that gives you an out as well.  Nothing to be concerned about.</p>
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		By: Pat		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pat]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Aug 2024 21:50:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Maria
YES WE DO!!
We are kicking it 
But keep sending!
PLEASE]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maria<br />
YES WE DO!!<br />
We are kicking it<br />
But keep sending!<br />
PLEASE</p>
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		By: Maria		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Maria]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Aug 2024 21:38:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://appraisersblogs.com/appraisal-management-companies-amcs-violating-tila-and-customary-and-reasonable-fee-clauses/#comment-40002&quot;&gt;Pat&lt;/a&gt;.

Pat, do you still collect data? I mean I can send mine to you.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a target="_blank" href="https://appraisersblogs.com/appraisal-management-companies-amcs-violating-tila-and-customary-and-reasonable-fee-clauses/#comment-40002">Pat</a>.</p>
<p>Pat, do you still collect data? I mean I can send mine to you.</p>
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		By: Pat Turner		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pat Turner]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Aug 2024 03:15:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://appraisersblogs.com/appraisal-management-companies-amcs-violating-tila-and-customary-and-reasonable-fee-clauses/#comment-43192&quot;&gt;Josh Tucker&lt;/a&gt;.

Just wait till this breaks!!!!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a target="_blank" href="https://appraisersblogs.com/appraisal-management-companies-amcs-violating-tila-and-customary-and-reasonable-fee-clauses/#comment-43192">Josh Tucker</a>.</p>
<p>Just wait till this breaks!!!!</p>
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		By: Josh Tucker		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Josh Tucker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Aug 2024 15:54:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://appraisersblogs.com/appraisal-management-companies-amcs-violating-tila-and-customary-and-reasonable-fee-clauses/#comment-43190&quot;&gt;JR&lt;/a&gt;.

Louisiana lost that case because they didn’t follow APA which a majority of appraisal boards today fail to follow and make rules without proper procedures. At that time you also had a different FTC and having spoken with Director Chopra last month this is a major issue in their radar.

I am way too deep in this with information most don’t have. Including evidence collected from appraisers nationally. What Louisiana had is nothing compared to today’s transgressions and how it’s being approached.

ASA, AI, MBA, NAR, everyone except REVAA has come out for the fee split disclosure. That has taken some monumental effort by a group that is almost ready to go public. They have been behind most of these stance changes and with zero funding.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a target="_blank" href="https://appraisersblogs.com/appraisal-management-companies-amcs-violating-tila-and-customary-and-reasonable-fee-clauses/#comment-43190">JR</a>.</p>
<p>Louisiana lost that case because they didn’t follow APA which a majority of appraisal boards today fail to follow and make rules without proper procedures. At that time you also had a different FTC and having spoken with Director Chopra last month this is a major issue in their radar.</p>
<p>I am way too deep in this with information most don’t have. Including evidence collected from appraisers nationally. What Louisiana had is nothing compared to today’s transgressions and how it’s being approached.</p>
<p>ASA, AI, MBA, NAR, everyone except REVAA has come out for the fee split disclosure. That has taken some monumental effort by a group that is almost ready to go public. They have been behind most of these stance changes and with zero funding.</p>
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		By: JR		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JR]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Aug 2024 13:21:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://appraisersblogs.com/appraisal-management-companies-amcs-violating-tila-and-customary-and-reasonable-fee-clauses/#comment-40047&quot;&gt;Baggins&lt;/a&gt;.

This is a waste of time and anger.  It has been going on for years.  The C&#038;R movement died when the State of Louisiana went after AMCs with well documented cases of below C&#038;R fees.  And instead of going after the culprit, the DOJ/FTC filed suit against the State of Louisiana.  They said the state was attempting &quot;price fixing&quot;.  This is a dead issue.  We are just howling at the moon.

https://www.valuationlegal.com/2020/10/valuation-legal-brief-louisiana-real-estate-appraisers-board-v-ftc/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a target="_blank" href="https://appraisersblogs.com/appraisal-management-companies-amcs-violating-tila-and-customary-and-reasonable-fee-clauses/#comment-40047">Baggins</a>.</p>
<p>This is a waste of time and anger.  It has been going on for years.  The C&amp;R movement died when the State of Louisiana went after AMCs with well documented cases of below C&amp;R fees.  And instead of going after the culprit, the DOJ/FTC filed suit against the State of Louisiana.  They said the state was attempting &#8220;price fixing&#8221;.  This is a dead issue.  We are just howling at the moon.</p>
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