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		By: Mike Ford, AGA, GAA, RAA, SCREA, Realtor®		</title>
		<link>https://appraisersblogs.com/ams-replacing-amcs/#comment-17798</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Ford, AGA, GAA, RAA, SCREA, Realtor®]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Oct 2017 04:04:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thank you Baggs! Absolutely concur re last posted comments re ethics, fees, income stability, TAT etc. Well stated.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Baggs! Absolutely concur re last posted comments re ethics, fees, income stability, TAT etc. Well stated.</p>
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		By: Mike Ford, AGA, GAA, RAA, SCREA, Realtor®		</title>
		<link>https://appraisersblogs.com/ams-replacing-amcs/#comment-17797</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Ford, AGA, GAA, RAA, SCREA, Realtor®]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Oct 2017 04:01:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://appraisersblogs.com/ams-replacing-amcs/#comment-17778&quot;&gt;Baggins&lt;/a&gt;.

&lt;p&gt;Agree Baggs, I even know AMCs that would prefer a cost plus system and payment direct from lenders for their services. Only thing stopping that though is that the competition would do the same to thing to their fees that they did to ours.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That and the fact that lenders managers who select the AMCs could no longer solicit and accept under the table kickbacks on a per order basis ranging from $25 to $50 each.&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a target="_blank" href="https://appraisersblogs.com/ams-replacing-amcs/#comment-17778">Baggins</a>.</p>
<p>Agree Baggs, I even know AMCs that would prefer a cost plus system and payment direct from lenders for their services. Only thing stopping that though is that the competition would do the same to thing to their fees that they did to ours.</p>
<p>That and the fact that lenders managers who select the AMCs could no longer solicit and accept under the table kickbacks on a per order basis ranging from $25 to $50 each.</p>
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		By: Baggins		</title>
		<link>https://appraisersblogs.com/ams-replacing-amcs/#comment-17778</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Oct 2017 00:23:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://appraisersblogs.com/ams-replacing-amcs/#comment-17751&quot;&gt;Frank D. Danna&lt;/a&gt;.

Don&#039;t take it personally, with amc&#039;s it&#039;s easy to cast a broad stroke. I agree though, all lenders should have limited panels. Per below, that can&#039;t work without also following other standards. Let&#039;s be honest, all amc&#039;s shop or chop the fee because no amc&#039;s are able to justify an additional fee over comparative lender direct C&#038;R. I&#039;ve never met an amc who did not advocate for the lender client. None of us would mind working with amc&#039;s if we were not the ones paying for the service. Don&#039;t need it, find no value in it, and why would we split a fee with a group whom advocates against our best long term interests? Bidding, alternative value products, downward fee pressure, speaking on behalf of licensed appraisers when amc persons are not licensed themselves, it all adds up to being red pilled and it&#039;s unacceptable practice. Eyes are opening every day. I continue to hold out hope that amc&#039;s and appraisers can work together. That starts with clearly separated fees for distinctly different services and a rollback of influence on behalf of the amc&#039;s. Originator, order steward, valuation analyst.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a target="_blank" href="https://appraisersblogs.com/ams-replacing-amcs/#comment-17751">Frank D. Danna</a>.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t take it personally, with amc&#8217;s it&#8217;s easy to cast a broad stroke. I agree though, all lenders should have limited panels. Per below, that can&#8217;t work without also following other standards. Let&#8217;s be honest, all amc&#8217;s shop or chop the fee because no amc&#8217;s are able to justify an additional fee over comparative lender direct C&amp;R. I&#8217;ve never met an amc who did not advocate for the lender client. None of us would mind working with amc&#8217;s if we were not the ones paying for the service. Don&#8217;t need it, find no value in it, and why would we split a fee with a group whom advocates against our best long term interests? Bidding, alternative value products, downward fee pressure, speaking on behalf of licensed appraisers when amc persons are not licensed themselves, it all adds up to being red pilled and it&#8217;s unacceptable practice. Eyes are opening every day. I continue to hold out hope that amc&#8217;s and appraisers can work together. That starts with clearly separated fees for distinctly different services and a rollback of influence on behalf of the amc&#8217;s. Originator, order steward, valuation analyst.</p>
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		By: Baggins		</title>
		<link>https://appraisersblogs.com/ams-replacing-amcs/#comment-17777</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Oct 2017 00:02:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Being forced to bid everything goes against the spirit of peer standard, fairly applied fee ethic. We&#039;re all supposed to have a defined fee and apply that fairly to the client category. On the other side, some appraisers really do dial it in, they&#039;ve become accustomed to finding client acceptance based on their fee (aka profit incentive for the amc), rather than quality work. It&#039;s become easier than ever to scoop quality clients with old fashioned detailed methods. See addenda, 48 hour flips, mobile reporting, under valued quickie methods have become the staple. A return to limited panels and longer turn times is what is necessary. However, that model can not work without also integrating consistent reliable fees. One puts the cart before the horse to argue proximity and volume limitations without first answering the critical questions of advocacy vs non advocacy. Keep up the good work Mike, always enjoy reading your articles.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Being forced to bid everything goes against the spirit of peer standard, fairly applied fee ethic. We&#8217;re all supposed to have a defined fee and apply that fairly to the client category. On the other side, some appraisers really do dial it in, they&#8217;ve become accustomed to finding client acceptance based on their fee (aka profit incentive for the amc), rather than quality work. It&#8217;s become easier than ever to scoop quality clients with old fashioned detailed methods. See addenda, 48 hour flips, mobile reporting, under valued quickie methods have become the staple. A return to limited panels and longer turn times is what is necessary. However, that model can not work without also integrating consistent reliable fees. One puts the cart before the horse to argue proximity and volume limitations without first answering the critical questions of advocacy vs non advocacy. Keep up the good work Mike, always enjoy reading your articles.</p>
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		By: Mike Ford, AGA, GAA, RAA, SCREA, Realtor®		</title>
		<link>https://appraisersblogs.com/ams-replacing-amcs/#comment-17771</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Ford, AGA, GAA, RAA, SCREA, Realtor®]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Oct 2017 16:51:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://appraisersblogs.com/ams-replacing-amcs/#comment-17763&quot;&gt;Baggins&lt;/a&gt;.

Baggs, Nice to hear something positive but you seem to be of two minds. They are nice but then they micromanage???]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a target="_blank" href="https://appraisersblogs.com/ams-replacing-amcs/#comment-17763">Baggins</a>.</p>
<p>Baggs, Nice to hear something positive but you seem to be of two minds. They are nice but then they micromanage???</p>
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		By: Baggins		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Oct 2017 21:19:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[AL is o.k., I raked a few good fees out of them in the busiest days. For dedicated panels, nothing beats that.  However, grading and shopping ruins the approach.  &quot;If an appraiser is considered good enough to be on the approved panel, they should expect a fair share of work.&quot;  In the spectrum of amc&#039;s, I&#039;d still work with ALS if I did not have direct assignment clients to prefer first.  Nicer staff, different approach.  I would have stayed with them if they did not insist on micromanaging every single order and trying to shop terms.  Edit, picture remove.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AL is o.k., I raked a few good fees out of them in the busiest days. For dedicated panels, nothing beats that.  However, grading and shopping ruins the approach.  &#8220;If an appraiser is considered good enough to be on the approved panel, they should expect a fair share of work.&#8221;  In the spectrum of amc&#8217;s, I&#8217;d still work with ALS if I did not have direct assignment clients to prefer first.  Nicer staff, different approach.  I would have stayed with them if they did not insist on micromanaging every single order and trying to shop terms.  Edit, picture remove.</p>
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		By: Mike Ford, AGA, GAA, RAA, SCREA, Realtor®		</title>
		<link>https://appraisersblogs.com/ams-replacing-amcs/#comment-17757</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Ford, AGA, GAA, RAA, SCREA, Realtor®]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Oct 2017 00:26:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://appraisersblogs.com/ams-replacing-amcs/#comment-17754&quot;&gt;BigAl&lt;/a&gt;.

BigAl, As used and possibly usurped  &quot;&lt;em&gt;Appraisal Management Service&lt;/em&gt;.&quot; It appears to be an attempt to sidestep two troubling problems AMCs have: (1) licensing &#038; state regulatory requirements in all states; (2) Having the ability to undercut competition without having to worry about C&#038;R. In &lt;em&gt;some states&lt;/em&gt; if they limit themselves to a clients self managed appraiser roster they may be able to &quot;dissect&quot; the regulations and sidestep AMC licensing rules.

Not sure it matters but I noted Mr. Danna is licensed in four different states per asc. MD., VA., DC and NV. - assume he gets a premium for driving out to do those Las Vegas appraisals.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a target="_blank" href="https://appraisersblogs.com/ams-replacing-amcs/#comment-17754">BigAl</a>.</p>
<p>BigAl, As used and possibly usurped  &#8220;<em>Appraisal Management Service</em>.&#8221; It appears to be an attempt to sidestep two troubling problems AMCs have: (1) licensing &amp; state regulatory requirements in all states; (2) Having the ability to undercut competition without having to worry about C&amp;R. In <em>some states</em> if they limit themselves to a clients self managed appraiser roster they may be able to &#8220;dissect&#8221; the regulations and sidestep AMC licensing rules.</p>
<p>Not sure it matters but I noted Mr. Danna is licensed in four different states per asc. MD., VA., DC and NV. &#8211; assume he gets a premium for driving out to do those Las Vegas appraisals.</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jason]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Oct 2017 22:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Appraisal Logistics are known for non payment and taking more than 90 days to pay. I did a few for them back in 2015, they payed poorly and were extremely slow to pay. They are in my &quot;UGLY AMC&quot; list.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Appraisal Logistics are known for non payment and taking more than 90 days to pay. I did a few for them back in 2015, they payed poorly and were extremely slow to pay. They are in my &#8220;UGLY AMC&#8221; list.</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[BigAl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Oct 2017 21:56:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the article Mike but what&#039;s the difference between AMS and AMCs? What does AMS stand for? Appraisal Management Services? Because to me AMS always meant American Measurement Standard.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the article Mike but what&#8217;s the difference between AMS and AMCs? What does AMS stand for? Appraisal Management Services? Because to me AMS always meant American Measurement Standard.</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Oct 2017 21:12:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;I have never heard the name Appraisal Logistics before. I went on their website and found out these people are In-House.  I had two clients use them and dropped them pretty much immediately. These are the very same people that tried to deduct their fee from the appraiser&#8217;s fee about a year and a half ago for the use of their portal. There was a question of ethics at that time and it appears nothing has changed.&lt;/p&gt;
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have never heard the name Appraisal Logistics before. I went on their website and found out these people are In-House.  I had two clients use them and dropped them pretty much immediately. These are the very same people that tried to deduct their fee from the appraiser&#8217;s fee about a year and a half ago for the use of their portal. There was a question of ethics at that time and it appears nothing has changed.</p>
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		By: Mike Ford, AGA, GAA, RAA, SCREA, Realtor®		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Ford, AGA, GAA, RAA, SCREA, Realtor®]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Oct 2017 20:35:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://appraisersblogs.com/ams-replacing-amcs/#comment-17751&quot;&gt;Frank D. Danna&lt;/a&gt;.

Frank Danna, thank you for the creativity compliment.

However, &lt;em&gt;the ONLY spin about the ad and article is your own&lt;/em&gt;. It is YOUR firms verbiage rather than mine, that state unequivocally that you will ONLY use the lenders selected appraisers &lt;em&gt;unless they tell you otherwise&lt;/em&gt;.

IF your ad is to focus on the ability to use &quot;legacy&quot; appraisers, then why not say so? In fact if your &quot;theory&quot; is correct, then why not tell the lenders that they should be using services like yours or risk being non compliant?

Don&#039;t take my word for it folks. Read Franks own firm&#039;s comments in the graphic above. &lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Click it and enlarge&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt; for easy of reading. See &quot;Approved Appraiser Panel&quot; on right side of picture above.

Frank if it is necessary to &lt;em&gt;dissect&lt;/em&gt; rather than merely read and understand common language regulations in order to conduct routine business, then perhaps your services are just a wee bit too close to that line between being acceptable legally, and morally...and those that are not.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a target="_blank" href="https://appraisersblogs.com/ams-replacing-amcs/#comment-17751">Frank D. Danna</a>.</p>
<p>Frank Danna, thank you for the creativity compliment.</p>
<p>However, <em>the ONLY spin about the ad and article is your own</em>. It is YOUR firms verbiage rather than mine, that state unequivocally that you will ONLY use the lenders selected appraisers <em>unless they tell you otherwise</em>.</p>
<p>IF your ad is to focus on the ability to use &#8220;legacy&#8221; appraisers, then why not say so? In fact if your &#8220;theory&#8221; is correct, then why not tell the lenders that they should be using services like yours or risk being non compliant?</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t take my word for it folks. Read Franks own firm&#8217;s comments in the graphic above. <em><strong>Click it and enlarge</strong></em> for easy of reading. See &#8220;Approved Appraiser Panel&#8221; on right side of picture above.</p>
<p>Frank if it is necessary to <em>dissect</em> rather than merely read and understand common language regulations in order to conduct routine business, then perhaps your services are just a wee bit too close to that line between being acceptable legally, and morally&#8230;and those that are not.</p>
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		By: Frank D. Danna		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Frank D. Danna]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Oct 2017 18:17:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The Author has a creative way of spinning the message somewhat similar to that of modern day Media.  Contrary to the Authors illusions, Regulators do in fact permit legacy appraiser panels.  Additionally, Regulators permit &#039;Approved Appraiser Panels&quot;.  In fact, if you dissect Regulator demands around 3rd party vendor relationships and management thereof, a Mortgage Lender should be very cautious working with Appraisers whom they themselves have not vetted and approved as qualified and acceptable to meet Regulator minimum requirements as a qualified 3rd Part Vendor.  Thus, a Lender utilizing an AMC who distributes appraisal orders to Appraisers that have not been properly vetted by the Lender themselves could potentially be in breach of Regulator rules.  Therefore in theory, all Mortgage Lenders should be working with an &quot;Approved Appraiser Panel&quot;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Author has a creative way of spinning the message somewhat similar to that of modern day Media.  Contrary to the Authors illusions, Regulators do in fact permit legacy appraiser panels.  Additionally, Regulators permit &#8216;Approved Appraiser Panels&#8221;.  In fact, if you dissect Regulator demands around 3rd party vendor relationships and management thereof, a Mortgage Lender should be very cautious working with Appraisers whom they themselves have not vetted and approved as qualified and acceptable to meet Regulator minimum requirements as a qualified 3rd Part Vendor.  Thus, a Lender utilizing an AMC who distributes appraisal orders to Appraisers that have not been properly vetted by the Lender themselves could potentially be in breach of Regulator rules.  Therefore in theory, all Mortgage Lenders should be working with an &#8220;Approved Appraiser Panel&#8221;.</p>
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		By: Chaz Thomas on Facebook		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chaz Thomas on Facebook]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Oct 2017 15:47:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[wow!.. fraud by any other name??]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wow!.. fraud by any other name??</p>
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		By: Dee Dee Carrier Harnish on Facebook		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dee Dee Carrier Harnish on Facebook]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Oct 2017 14:12:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Erin Arnett]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Erin Arnett</p>
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		By: Dee Dee Carrier Harnish on Facebook		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dee Dee Carrier Harnish on Facebook]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Oct 2017 14:12:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Kevin Talbott]]></description>
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